Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

[Danthus]

They are part of EFTA and have steadily moved to bring more of their regulation in line with the EU to improve trade. But there's a rather bigger issue with your argument: no-one is saying that trade will cease only that the barriers to trade will increase and that will have a detrimental effect.

But the idea that huge multi nationals are going to sit by and allow the EU to put barriers in place isn't realistic.

 

[Metallifux]

No recent government has shown any inclination to limit immigration, we have had soundbites but what matters is the actual numbers.

No recent government has been able to.

 

[Freakbro]

But the idea that huge multi nationals are going to sit by and allow the EU to put barriers in place isn't realistic.

It's not 'barriers' but some extra paperwork and some tariffs, it's hardly going to cause any multinational to throw their toys out of the pram or stop trading.

It's just going to be a bit of an inconvenience and an extra cost to the consumer.

 

[Freakbro]

No recent government has been able to.

Of course they have, what about the 190,000 non-EU migrants, why didn't they restrict those if they wanted the level at tens of thousands?

 

[Metallifux]

Why?



But the only other people who get in are Labour, and they won't stop immigration either

Because, like I said, the ruling parties see a bigger picture and they want it.

I said why, brexit would bring an end to free movement there would eventually have to be something to replace the current process. Not going to dispute the Labour comment, though I would question why the Tory's would sit back and let Labour steam roller them.

 

[Freakbro]

I said why, brexit would bring an end to free movement there would eventually have to be something to replace the current process. Not going to dispute the Labour comment, though I would question why the Tory's would sit back and let Labour steam roller them.

It would only bring an end to free movement.....if they wanted it to end, and they don't.... that's the bit you aren't getting

You keep avoiding the non-EU migration question

 

[Mr Jack]

But the idea that huge multi nationals are going to sit by and allow the EU to put barriers in place isn't realistic.

That entirely depends on what the UK is willing to agree to. In the most likely scenario we get a few years of uncertainty (with the accompanying degree of damage to the economy) followed by signing up to a Norway-style deal with freedom of movement. In which case the barriers will be low but we'll have little or no say about the rules we're governed by. So: no new control of immigration and a loss of control over our affairs - what a great deal!

 

[Metallifux]

Of course they have, what about the 190,000 non-EU migrants, why didn't they restrict those if they wanted the level at tens of thousands?

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the 190000, non eu migrants or how or why they came here, I do know it is a drop in the ocean compared to the EU migrants they couldn't stop even if they wanted to.

 

[Freakbro]

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the 190000, non eu migrants or how or why they came here, I do know it is a drop in the ocean compared to the EU migrants they couldn't stop even if they wanted to.

Err...it was more than the EU migration, which was at 180,000!

So since you don't know, and don't seem to be listening, go and find out yourself and realise the EU immigration argument is a red herring...

 

[Metallifux]

It would only bring an end to free movement.....if they wanted it to end, and they don't.... that's the bit you aren't getting

You keep avoiding the non-EU migration question

I disagree, that is the bit you are citing as fact when in fact there is no evidence to prove it. The only way to get some evidence and to prove you right would be to vote out and see if it stops or not

 

[Danthus]

There is a legitimate debate to have regarding the EU and the free movement of labour.

Sadly, some people think voting out will see an end to mass immigration, it won't.

 

[Freakbro]

I disagree, that is the bit you are citing as fact when in fact there is no evidence to prove it.

omg...you mean apart from the fact we have complete control over who comes here from non-EU countries, and we let more in than the amount of EU migrants.

Please tell me how that is not evidence that we don't want to limit immigration to the tens of thousands.....

 

[scorza]

Firstly, Norway's high GDP per capita is largely down to their oil industry; secondly, just because they're doing well now doesn't mean they couldn't be doing better.

They also have a thriving fishing industry while ours has been degraded.

 

[scorza]

There is a legitimate debate to have regarding the EU and the free movement of labour.

Sadly, some people think voting out will see an end to mass immigration, it won't.

Wish I had your crystal ball.

The fact is that while we're in the EU we can't legally control our borders, if we Leave the EU then we can. Whether we do or not and how we do it will be up to the government of the day. At the moment high net immigration just seems to be accepted because we can't do anything about it because we're in the EU.

 

[Metallifux]

Err...it was more than the EU migration, which was at 180,000!

So since you don't know, and don't seem to be listening, go and find out yourself and realise the EU immigration argument is a red herring...

180000 over what period. Since the floodgates opened under Blair, what are the numbers? Where are you getting your figures from the government or an independent body? Whose figures should I believe? What are the numbers going to be in the future? What if Turkey and the Ukraine join? It's not that I don't listen, the remain group just aren't making a compelling enough argument. Now I know you will say the same for the out crowd but I would like to see what happens rather than put up with the status quo.

 

[Freakbro]

180000 over what period. Since the floodgates opened under Blair, what are the numbers? Where are you getting your figures from the government or an independent body? Whose figures should I believe?

That's for 1 year The Y/E Sept 15

The figures are from the ONS here..which is a quarterly report

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...grationstatisticsquarterlyreport/february2016

Which is a Govt dept

 

[Metallifux]

omg...you mean apart from the fact we have complete control over who comes here from non-EU countries, and we let more in than the amount of EU migrants.

Please tell me how that is not evidence that we don't want to limit immigration to the tens of thousands.....

Back to what I originally said, I have no idea who these non EU immigrants are, maybe there were some very good reasons for them to be coming here and not to just to fill low paid jobs.

 

[Metallifux]

omg...you mean apart from the fact we have complete control over who comes here from non-EU countries, and we let more in than the amount of EU migrants.

Please tell me how that is not evidence that we don't want to limit immigration to the tens of thousands.....

Additionally how many of this 190000 have to right to remain here?

 

[Freakbro]

Back to what I originally said, I have no idea who these non EU immigrants are, maybe there were some very good reasons for them to be coming here and not to just to fill low paid jobs.

Not sure what you mean here....so it's ok for migrants to take away high paying jobs from natives, just not low paid ones?

The level of immigration is a concern for people, not just because of the 'they took our jobs' attitude (which is a bit of a fallacy anyway, since the number of jobs isn't static and more people create more jobs naturally) but because of the pressure it puts on infrastructure.

So it doesn't matter the why or wherefores, it's just the actual number people have an issue with, usually because of the 'we're full' argument.

And if the pledge from Cameron was to limit the immigration to tens of thousands, then that's the pledge....not to then let in 190,000....because if we need them, then don't say you are limiting migration!

Additionally how many of this 190000 have to right to remain here?

People come and go all the time, these figures are the 'net' figures......after the ones have left.

 

[Mulder]

Sweden is a member of the EU. Norway would almost certainly be better off in the EU.

So 70%+ of Norwegians are wrong and you know better?