Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

[Hagar]

It really isn't

No-one at all is saying 'We'll be done for' or 'we'll never do any trade again' They say there will be a period of uncertainty (that markets & business never like) and it will take years to negotiate our own individual trade deals with other countries separately.

So there will likely be a short term hit to our economy and we will end up with tariffs and administrative paperwork when trading with other countries (like we already have with non-EU countries), but now including the EU countries.

It will be a bit more of a burdern, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I think we just take for granted now when we buy or sell anything across the EU now, how simple it is and even though filling in duty/import/export paperwork is a pain in the ass, it's not going to stop people trading with us.

But, when multi-national companies have the choice of where to go, maybe the extra level of admin might sway them, especially if the sweetners being offered are similar to elsewhere.

Probably all the above is true and it will or may hurt the UK for a number of years post exit. But what investors and business want is a secure political system, a stable currency and low taxation. Each of the above can be provided by the UK.

Our situation is much improved from pre EEC and we have done well from the trading within the EU. However we now should reclaim some ability to sell our skills, our intelligence and our capabilities worldwide and compete with the EU where we can but cooperate where we can't.

It is down to politicians to be cleverer, not so flippin' lazy and to gain some original thinking as to how we sell UK.biz to the world.

 

[Mulder]

This is nothing more than argumentum ad populum.

50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong!

People in the UK will vote based on what they think. 70%+ of people in both Norway and Iceland "think" on the whole that they will get a worse deal joining the EU than what they have now. If Bremain thinks they've got such a bad deal, they certainly don't think so.

 

[Narj]

If we vote to leave and it goes balls up, are we ever allowed back in?

Well, I presume all member states would have to agree to us rejoining. It depends on how petty they want to be and whether relations sour post-Brexit in all honesty. My money would be on grudges making it difficult and us getting a much worse deal than we have currently if we wanted to rejoin (no rebates or opt outs, for example).

The frustrating thing for me is that if the head figures at the EU actually said, "you know what, we're aware of the fact that the EU is not a rose garden and some things are broken, but we're happy to commit to reform" then I'd be 100% in. It just seems like the complete opposite to me - heading down the wrong path as it stands.

This whole "debate" has taken a bizarre turn and now I'm waiting for Kim Jong Un to be brought in to advise on how best to spread the government's message to the people. The way the campaigns are being run right now are frankly, insulting.

 

[Danthus]

If we leave without a preferential trade agreement, which is likely, Ireland becomes very appealing place for foreign companies to relocate to cheaply, especially with free trade with both the UK and EU.

They already do this.

 

[Outcast]

Ollie giving it Large in Stoke last night

http://livestream.com/grassrootsout/grassrootsoutstoke

 

[Rilot]

The latest poll shows that opinion is swinging toward the 'remain' camp.
52% Remain
43% Leave
5% Undecided

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...f-leave-in-eu-referendum-poll-as-david-camer/

 

[Mr Jack]

The latest poll shows that opinion is swinging toward the 'remain' camp.
52% Remain
43% Leave
5% Undecided

Other polls give a different picture:

ICM Phone: REMAIN 48%, LEAVE 41%, DK 11%
ICM Online: REMAIN 43%, LEAVE 44%, DK 13%

I think it's a bit early to talk about swings.

 

[Freakbro]

Yep no issue with any of that, and if it was just the trade like the EEC I'd be in, but the continued political union and the costs associated are what push me to the out crowd.

And that is fair enough

Whereas I personally would like to see closer political and economic union in the future, so I'm voting in.

This whole "debate" has taken a bizarre turn and now I'm waiting for Kim Jong Un to be brought in to advise on how best to spread the government's message to the people. The way the campaigns are being run right now are frankly, insulting.

Unfortunately this is very true.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

They already do this.

Only a fraction of companies do but likely many will relocate if we left.

 

[Mulder]

Only a fraction of companies do but likely many will relocate if we left.

So Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple represent a "fraction"?

 

[Boycey0211]

Well I'm still undecided but what is annoying me more is again the utter crap being spouted, not so much on here but that wonderful site that is Facebook.

Twice this week I've seen colleagues post an image purportedly explaining the pros and cons of leaving, with facts that simply aren't true.

My favourite one was just now, declaring that we are part of an EU task force and have to supply forces for the eu's will. Bearing in mind both me and the person who posted it work in defence you would have expected at least one of us to have heard about it in some way. As expected when questioned about it he fell at the first hurdle.

If brexit want me to vote for them then stuff like this need to stop being spread about, as I don't really believe much of what they have to say anymore.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the 190000, non eu migrants or how or why they came here, I do know it is a drop in the ocean compared to the EU migrants they couldn't stop even if they wanted to.

We are doomed, we really are.

Do you actually believe what you wrote? You actually think that EU migration is higher than non EU migration? This is so easy to verify yourself and find that you are wrong.

I wonder how many of the 'out' voters perceptions of what 'out' would mean are reality and how many of them are this sort of flawed perception. Presumably somebody once told Metallifux that millions of EU migrants swarm the UK every year and he's believed it ever since and wants out as a result..

 

[Avenged7Fold]

So Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple represent a "fraction"?

All pretty big tax avoiders and yes four companies is a tiny fraction out of the many. Their success doesn't really come into it when they pay so little tax, there are many more companies that will likely relocate, moving the benefits elsewhere.

 

[[TW]Fox]

All pretty big tax avoiders

Irrespective of that they still employ thousands of people all of whom earn a salary on which they pay tax and spend money.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I wonder how many of the 'out' voters perceptions of what 'out' would mean are reality and how many of them are this sort of flawed perception.

Yeah, they expect that immigration would come to a stop and we would suddenly impose strict requirements. That it would make a difference to illegal immigration (apart from increase the amount of illegal immigration) and that it would change anything when it comes to what powers the UK has to turn away refugees that will eventually apply for a EU passport.

The optimism in trade is even more laughable.

 

[Freakbro]

We are doomed, we really are.

I thought you would like that statement when I saw it this morning

Do you actually believe what you wrote? You actually think that EU migration is higher than non EU migration? This is so easy to verify yourself and find that you are wrong.

I wonder how many of the 'out' voters perceptions of what 'out' would mean are reality and how many of them are this sort of flawed perception. Presumably somebody once told Metallifux that millions of EU migrants swarm the UK every year and he's believed it ever since and wants out as a result..

I think he meant it is a drop in the ocean compared to the 'potential' amount of EU migrants who could come, which is theoretically 500 million

But yes, my whole discussion with Metallifux was about the skewed perception of what is actually happening about immigration in this country

 

[Judgeneo]

Well I'm still undecided but what is annoying me more is again the utter crap being spouted, not so much on here but that wonderful site that is Facebook.

Twice this week I've seen colleagues post an image purportedly explaining the pros and cons of leaving, with facts that simply aren't true.

My favourite one was just now, declaring that we are part of an EU task force and have to supply forces for the eu's will. Bearing in mind both me and the person who posted it work in defence you would have expected at least one of us to have heard about it in some way. As expected when questioned about it he fell at the first hurdle.

If brexit want me to vote for them then stuff like this need to stop being spread about, as I don't really believe much of what they have to say anymore.

It is true that the EU have started to create their first military force, using forces drafted from member states. Its currently very small indeed, and I'm not sure if or how the UK is involved.

It is though a vision for the future.
The EU is currently focused on aligning the foreign policy of the member states, and replacing individual representation on international organisations with EU representation. Greater control over military action will follow.

The stated aim of the EU is, and always has been, to create a federal European state, a united states of Europe. It is what we are really voting on in this referendum. There are legitimate arguments for a federal Europe, but I will be voting out.

 

[Danthus]

We are doomed, we really are.

Do you actually believe what you wrote? You actually think that EU migration is higher than non EU migration? This is so easy to verify yourself and find that you are wrong.

I wonder how many of the 'out' voters perceptions of what 'out' would mean are reality and how many of them are this sort of flawed perception. Presumably somebody once told Metallifux that millions of EU migrants swarm the UK every year and he's believed it ever since and wants out as a result..

That is why supporting UKIP and voting out makes me laugh and worries me in equal measure, it won't tackle the immigration issue.

 

[Mulder]

there are many more companies that will likely relocate, moving the benefits elsewhere.

Any evidence? Boeing recently announced the UK as its European headquarters, as well as Avon. They don't seem to care about Brexit.

And I presume you're not talking about SME's - the majority of them in the UK want to leave, see here.

 

[delta0]

Well I'm still undecided but what is annoying me more is again the utter crap being spouted, not so much on here but that wonderful site that is Facebook.

Twice this week I've seen colleagues post an image purportedly explaining the pros and cons of leaving, with facts that simply aren't true.

My favourite one was just now, declaring that we are part of an EU task force and have to supply forces for the eu's will. Bearing in mind both me and the person who posted it work in defence you would have expected at least one of us to have heard about it in some way. As expected when questioned about it he fell at the first hurdle.

If brexit want me to vote for them then stuff like this need to stop being spread about, as I don't really believe much of what they have to say anymore.

EU battle groups are real. Generally EU countries take it in turn to "donate" troops to the "EU army" for around 6 months at a time. The UK's turn was 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2013. We also bear the cost of this deployment.