Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%
  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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And if Obama had said 'The UK should leave the EU' all the in campaigners would be telling him to keep his nose out ;)
 
Usher said:
How loliferous is the use of Obama's words' back of the queue' so obviously typed out by Cameron for him to read :rolleyes: the last word is not even in the USA's general vocabulary -they say 'end of the line'
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I suppose when you are the only one in the queue you are both at the front and back of the queue.

A trade deal would be struck so quickly.
 
Mulder said:
Wrong.

Britain is important to the EU, but not influential in running it.
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How can Britain be important and at the same time not influential? The second largest economy in the block, larger than the bottom 20 economies combined, is not influential? Your claim is pure fantasy.

The centrality of the UK, along with the other large member states, is clearly revealed in the number of officials from other EU governments who mentioned the UK (in the figure on the right). Measured this way round, the UK’s officials are the most well connected of all the governments.

Not surprisingly, France and Germany, as the other two most powerful member states, were the second and third most mentioned by officials from other governments. Interestingly, though, amongst some of the smaller member states, several of the UK’s traditional allies (Sweden, the Netherlands, and Denmark) are also central players in EU negotiations.

These network pictures clearly show the centrality of the UK in EU negotiations. Germany and France are also close to the centre, but UK officials appear to be the best connected of all the member states’ officials.


The main evidence used to support these claims is a report produced last year by the euroskeptic Business for Britain campaigning organization, which found the U.K. voted against 55 pieces of EU legislation since 1996 but was outvoted each time. What’s more, it said 21 of those British objections were registered since 2010 alone and the U.K. has been outvoted far more times than any other EU member.
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These 55 “no” votes account for just 1.9% of all votes in the Council since 1996.
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The only recent occasion British and European officials can remember when the U.K. voted against a high-profile piece of EU legislation in its final form was the 2014 Capital Markets Directive, which rewrote the rules of the European banking system to reflect global agreements. The U.K. strongly supported the new regulations but objected to the European Parliament’s decision to graft new rules capping bankers’ bonuses onto the bill.


http://eup.sagepub.com/content/11/4/485.abstract

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...s-the-uk-at-the-top-table-in-eu-negotiations/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-brex...uence-in-eu-is-greatly-exaggerated-1458154337


Nah, you're the troll. Did you read the list? Presumably you didn't see the likes of China, India, Panama, Bangladesh, Indonesia etc. These countries are some of the fastest growing in the world, and our trade with them is being strangled by leaving it up to the bureaucrats to negotiate for us, which they do a terrible job of, particularly for services.

The EU is only 30% of our services exports, at the moment, but no doubt as the Eurozone heads for another crisis that will diminish and the areas of growth will be the countries above.

You people want to not only economically tie us to a failing, economically stagnant block, you want political union as well. Good luck with that.
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The most important clients for services are developed countries and there's not a single developed country in that list. If some of them become developed in a few decades, they will be suitable potential clients. Until then, Britain will focus its services sales on the US and the EU, the only large, developed economies in the world. Ditto for naming Panama as a potential client for Britain's services, given the recent events, the irony is priceless.
 
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Locky said:
And he should do to be honest. Hes a no one president now and will be gone shortly.
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He is honest. He is also the most powerful and one of the most informed persons on the planet. His views align with the views of all other major leaders who voiced their opinion, except Putin. Hillary, who will replace him, has similar views.
 
jas72 said:
I see Boris is at it again.

At the start he said 15-50% of UK laws are made by the EU

I see now he's upped it to 60%.

Imagine throwing insults at the US President, the guy is a reprobate the leave campaign must be pulling it's hair out with this fool.

Anyone with an ounce of education can see he's talking nonsense.

The actual figure is around 13%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36112694
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It was posted ealier that sepending on your definition the actual figure is abour 15-60%

So hes not lying and neither are you but you are both xherry picking
 
Tunney said:
Obama clearly didn't say what you've put in quotation marks. For a start, there's been no such company as British Petroleum since 1998.
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Oh what a short memory you have.


Repeatedly BP was called british petrolim in the US by politicians
 
Back-patting at the back of the queue is as good a time-waster as any. You'll fit right in Brexit-bros. :)

Would you rather have heads of state not set out and clarify, following rampant speculation, their official foreign policy positions and priorities?

Who in the Brexit camp knows about America's inner workings better than its actual president?

And weren't you the first to build up an entire long-term alternative bogeyman universe out of a whole generation of political leaders that are going in the near future?

I suppose if the Telegraph prints it, BoJo sings it and the eyes swivel, it's alright then. :p
 
datalol-jack said:
Back-patting at the back of the queue is as good a time-waster as any. You'll fit right in Brexit-bros. :)

Would you rather have heads of state not set out and clarify, following rampant speculation, their official foreign policy positions and priorities?

Who in the Brexit camp knows about America's inner workings better than its actual president?

And weren't you the first to build up an entire long-term alternative bogeyman universe out of a whole generation of political leaders that are going in the near future?

I suppose if the Telegraph prints it, BoJo sings it and the eyes swivel, it's alright then. :p
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Err what?
 
Obama is very considered and diplomatic speaker. I find it very hard to believe he would use such strong words to one of his closest allies on their home turf of his own accord. No doubt DC urged him to sex-up the danger of brexit.
 
I am as shocked as Pipa that America is seeking to further its own ends. I really am shocked. Who would have thought? Totally out of character.
 
jas72 said:
I see Boris is at it again.

At the start he said 15-50% of UK laws are made by the EU

I see now he's upped it to 60%.

Imagine throwing insults at the US President, the guy is a reprobate the leave campaign must be pulling it's hair out with this fool.

Anyone with an ounce of education can see he's talking nonsense.

The actual figure is around 13%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36112694
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Because the BBC is so impartial in this, right? :p As has been pointed out, there's more than one way to measure it, so of course the BBC would pick the one that results in the least scary number.

Even if the figure was 1%, it would be too much. What the over 60s voted on (anyone under about 60 has never had a vote on this issue) was a trade deal, not an organisation that gets to impose laws on us. Much less one run by basically anonymous commissioners that nobody voted for.
 
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