Praise Allah to be on British buses

[muon]

It's not a private matter, do whatever you want in your own home.

This is a private organisation purchasing commercial advertising space to raise money for charity.

It is very much a private transaction which the state has no reason to stop. There is no public harm that you or anyone else can show, other than it not being Christian.

As for whether a few bus adverts really makes a difference - it'll be a small difference. But I do think we need to follow this track and take it MUCH further, maybe not as far as banning all muslims, but something closer to that than just banning bus adverts.

Yeh, you need to step back and think about what you actually achieve by making the lives of millions of people harder by impeding their ability to practice and express their religion. What it means for the type of society the UK would be, and what history tells us about starting what people would call persecution.

 

[Mynight]

I don't see suppressing a group of people reducing the amount of extremists. You'll only increase the minority by ruining life for the majority who probably don't hold such views.

If what the news portrays is to be believed there's already a mistrust from the Islamic communities towards officials. Should be focusing on increasing the trust in order to get those whom have information to come forward. (Before the inevitable query- no I don't mean pander to them).

 

[Randomface74]

This is a private organisation purchasing commercial advertising space to raise money for charity.

It is very much a private transaction which the state has no reason to stop. There is no public harm that you or anyone else can show, other than it not being Christian.

I do understand where you're coming from.

If it was say... Buddhist.. that wouldn't be a problem.... Jewish... not a problem.. etc.

It's just because of the terrorism thing..

 

[Angilion]

Jesus is a prophet in Islam and not God. How can he be not God at all in Islam to being God in Christianity when apparently Christians and Muslims have the same God.

Because the Christian doctrine of the trinity is weird. The god is the same one, but Jews and Muslims go with the one is one idea and Christians go with the one is three is one idea. It's not 3 gods, it's one god. Which is also 3, but still one while being 3. I don't understand it, but that's what it is.

 

[Amp34]

Just countering the point that the UK is a 'multicultural society' - it isn't. We don't HAVE to treat all religions equally.

Note.. I'm not Christian, so I'm talking about myself too.

We don't have to treat all sexes the same, or the disabled, or people of different skin colour, but we do, because that is the type of society we are. If you don't like it then perhaps you should move to Syria, part of it is controlled by those that are closer to what appears to be your moral and political stance...

As usual the most vocally anti muslim are more aligned with the most vocally anti west than anyone else.

 

[Richdog]

I don't like religion in general. I especially dislike Islam the most of all religions.

So yes, anything that promotes Islam in a country where I wish it had no place annoys me.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Yeah that's one of the things I think we should do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqReTJkjjg

Relevant part around 2 minutes in. History repeats and the same arguments occur again and again.

 

[h4rm0ny]

I don't like religion in general. I especially dislike Islam the most of all religions.

So yes, anything that promotes Islam in a country where I wish it had no place annoys me.

I agree with you on that. I just think censoring it is also wrong.

 

[Pawnless Endgame]

Although I'm as straight as an arrow, I'd much rather see this on the side of buses. I really don't care much for religion.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I don't like religion in general. I especially dislike Islam the most of all religions.

So yes, anything that promotes Islam in a country where I wish it had no place annoys me.

It's OK to be annoyed.

That doesn't mean it's OK to censor though.

 

[Richdog]

I agree with you on that. I just think censoring it is also wrong.

Agreed but I'm just expressing my personal feelings. If I had my way it wouldn't go on the buses or any other major advertisement space, and neither would any other religion. IMO the last thing the world needs is more religion and I can only hope that one day we rid that particular cancer from the Earth completely in favour of science and reason.

 

[h4rm0ny]

I do understand where you're coming from.

If it was say... Buddhist.. that wouldn't be a problem.... Jewish... not a problem.. etc.

It's just because of the terrorism thing..

The thing is, groups like Daesh want a war between Islam and the rest of the world. The huge majority of muslims just want to live in peace and get on with their lives.

When you start censoring or expelling these muslims for the sake of the behaviour of Daesh and it's ilk, you are giving Daesh what it wants. You're helping it recruit, you're helping turn it into Islam vs. everyone else. And above all else, you're throwing out justice and causing people who have done nothing wrong to be punished. And that's something we in England should not do.

That's the counter-argument to what you're saying, I think.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Agreed but I'm just expressing my personal feelings. If I had my way it wouldn't go on the buses, and neither would any other religion.

Understood. Didn't mean to imply you were arguing for something other than what you said. Think we're pretty much in agreement.

 

[MookJong]

I do understand where you're coming from.

If it was say... Buddhist.. that wouldn't be a problem.... Jewish... not a problem.. etc.

It's just because of the terrorism thing..

I'm not against this advert, it is doing no harm. But I think you are naïve, a lot of people see a great deal many more issues within Islam. Terrorism is just the very extreme end.

 

[Randomface74]

The thing is, groups like Daesh want a war between Islam and the rest of the world. The huge majority of muslims just want to live in peace and get on with their lives.

When you start censoring or expelling these muslims for the sake of the behaviour of Daesh and it's ilk, you are giving Daesh what it wants. You're helping it recruit, you're helping turn it into Islam vs. everyone else. And above all else, you're throwing out justice and causing people who have done nothing wrong to be punished. And that's something we in England should not do.

That's the counter-argument to what you're saying, I think.

Yep, isn't it a choice like this though:

- Do nothing to stop it, and things get worse before they get worse
- Do everything to stop it, and things get worse before they get better

 

[VincentHanna]

We're bombing ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

How is that doing nothing?

 

[Robinhood]

We're bombing ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

How is that doing nothing?

Air strikes alone have never been effective in fact I think it making things worst as strikes are more likely to kill people who are not involved because the practice of these groups like ISIS is to break up their formations, dissipate and then move on to built-up areas and hide within the populations.Which leads ISIS using deaths as propaganda->radicalization->bombing in the west and the wheel keeps turning.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Although I'm as straight as an arrow, I'd much rather see this on the side of buses. I really don't care much for religion.

I would rather that say 'Its 2016, people don't care if you're gay, get over it!'

 

[Admiral Huddy]

I've always gone on the basis that if you don't want something to be an issue then stop making it an issue. The above illustration for example, those that made this advertisement are just as bad as those they oppose because they are making just as much as an issue of it..

Another example, my 8 year old son saw the "no to Racism" football advert then asked me what racism was? so they have put the idea was racism into a young persons mind when they didn't need to.

Just my opinion.. Counts for nothing.

 

[Uther]

Hahahahaha.

You think the phrase "God is great" written in a language you cant even decipher, is propaganda? Please elaborate on the exact processes by which this phrase, written in undecipherable form, is implanting thoughts or changing your personal thought processes and in what way?

No wonder we western populations are so controllable, you cant possibly have a bloody clue of the psychological operations we are being bombarded with when you think the phrase "God is great" is propaganda.

Shouldn't it be written in English, seeing as that's the official language spoken here?