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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

jommy999 said:
then you need to compare with 1080Ti
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Agreed.

The main joke is actually 980Ti owners comparing what they have to a card designed to replace the 980 and 780's.

All this "lacklustre" this and, not impressed that coming from enthusiasts who frankly speaking, make up a tiny tiny portion of gamers worldwide is comical :p

It's almost like they have to prove something to themselves by making bold statements! :o
 
X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
Agreed.

The main joke is actually 980Ti owners comparing what they have to a card designed to replace the 980 and 780's.

All this "lacklustre" this and, not impressed that coming from enthusiasts who frankly speaking, make up a tiny tiny portion of gamers worldwide is comical :p

It's almost like they have to prove something to themselves by making bold statements! :o
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This may be true, but they are asking £619 for it!
 
Toss3 said:
Where are you seeing 25-35%? :confused: Only seen 10-15% so far (15% in the division at 2123MHz.). Computerbase.de were the only ones to compare OC GTX 1080 to OC GTX 980 Ti and the difference was 14% (OC vs OC: linky). That is not really that great when you take into consideration you could buy a used GTX 980 Ti for around 400£ (or even cheaper) so you're essentially shelling out more than 50% more for 14% more performance (£/performance is pretty bad for the GTX 1080 unless the non-reference cards clock better and are cheaper).
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Against the GTX 980 Ti, a card that launched for $649 and just until recently was considered an ultra high end option the GTX 1080 actually looks like a viable upgrade path, particularly when overclocked. That’s something that could have never been said about the GTX 780 Ti to GTX 980 metric. Not only does it offer 35% higher (on average) framerates than NVIDIA's erstwhile flagship but it does so while consuming less power. While we couldn’t add it into these charts in time, the $999 TITAN X is about 3% faster than the GTX 980 Ti so it would still be beaten like a lazy donkey by NVIDIA’s latest 104-series core. Looking at these results, I can’t help but be anxious for what the GTX 1070 could potentially bring to the table for more budget-conscious gamers.

With all of this being taken into account the GTX 1080 is able to walk all over the R9 Fury X too, at least in DX11 situations. NVIDIA is obviously marching to the beat of a different drummer but don’t count AMD out of the fight just yet. By looking past the initial numbers versus the GTX 1080 we can see AMD’s driver team has been able to leverage their architecture’s strengths and the Fury X is now able to step ahead of NVIDIA’s GTX

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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../72619-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review-25.html
 
DrBombcrater said:
As far as I'm aware Ashes doesn't even attempt to enable async on NVidia cards in the current build, so the 1080 would appear to much the same as the 980TI - it's getting good results in Ashes by pure brute force, not using async.

From what I can tell the Pascal architecture cannot do async compute, not the way AMD does it with GCN, it just uses fine-grained pre-emption to reduce the overhead of switching from graphics to compute tasks. Which is an improvement over Maxwell but will not yield the performance jump seen on GCN cards.

NV seems to be betting their hardware is fast enough not to need async, which is fair enough against AMD's existing line up but may cause them some headaches when Vega arrives.
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Good explanation there....Re async sums it up without going in depth.

Well lets just hope that it does not turn into it being only certain games run on AMD card only or NVIDIA card only.

That would be a nightmare and the beginning of the pc coming closer to being closed architecture....
 
I look at it this way, I have been waiting for Pascal to come out to finally upgrade from my 970 because I play at WQHD and it seems that the 1080 will be the perfect card for me for years to come so I plan on buying it as soon as there's an Asus strix version of the card.

980Ti/Titan X owners will not see a huge performance increase and this was honestly expected but like most I understand that the 1080 is not meant to replace the 980ti or the Titan X. That will come with the 1080ti that's probably in the pipeline so people who will really benefit from the 1080 are people running on 970/980's in which you will see a colossal difference in performance.
 
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KillBoY_UK said:
Don't let the door kick you on the way out
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To be fair so would i, lets not forget these are mid range cards and appears they are in no way as fast as the nVidia PR and marketing would have had everyone beleive.

I can see everyone is still leaving thier hopes on these cards over clocking extremely well but i think before that even becomes a possibility you will have to wait for AIBs to release non reference cards that have more than the 1x8 pin power connector to get better overclocks. Yet these cards will be even more expensive lets face it.

By all means if your one of these people who will go ahead and pay these prices for a card which lets be honest isn't that much faster than a 980Ti then more fool you.

The price is what id expect a enthusiast card to be priced at not mid range.

Anyway enjoy your price gouging and getting milked.

Also FYI i'm waiting for enthusiast cards and to see what price they will be at before considering upgrading.
 
Gelly54 said:
Yes, but you can not compare it with something that's not even out yet? Its all about the Now and the Now states it's not that great at 4k
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What? There are loads of benches showing it 30-40% quicker at 4k compared to a 980ti.

I swear a lot people have just made their own mind up and come to their own conclusion that the 1080 isnt any good despite all the reviews and benchmarks saying otherwise.

Yes if you ring the neck out of a custom 980ti it might come close to the reference 1080. Big deal. If i ring the neck out of my msi gaming 980 it might come close to a stock reference 980ti but so what, the 980ti is still the much faster/better card.
 
sadly Nvidia can do whatever they want at this point. they still have full fat pascal ready sit and wait to release . Nvidia can release it now but they don't need to . the price can be a lot cheaper but they don't need to .
 
X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
Agreed.

The main joke is actually 980Ti owners comparing what they have to a card designed to replace the 980 and 780's.

All this "lacklustre" this and, not impressed that coming from enthusiasts who frankly speaking, make up a tiny tiny portion of gamers worldwide is comical :p

It's almost like they have to prove something to themselves by making bold statements! :o
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While we all know that 1080/1070 is to replace 980/970 the joke is on nvidia for saying "faster than a titan X" more times than i can count
 
Jono8 said:
What? There are loads of benches showing it 30-40% quicker at 4k compared to a 980ti.

I swear a lot people have just made their own mind up and come to their own conclusion that the 1080 isnt any good despite all the reviews and benchmarks saying otherwise.

Yes if you ring the neck out of a custom 980ti it might come close to the reference 1080. Big deal. If i ring the neck out of my msi gaming 980 it might come close to a stock reference 980ti but so what, the 980ti is still the much faster/better card.
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Agreed. I think the price is putting a few people off and in doing so, they look at whatever they can to make the card less appealing (a natural reaction) and those who are getting a 1080 tend to look the opposite way and look for all the appealing points. You will also have your fanboys who will never ever see anything good about either brand as well and as an example, NVidia could release a HBM2 card that has 4960 cores, twice as fast as an overclocked TX but hits 90c and they would only look at the 90c part and then keep on about that.

Funny old world lol :D
 
It's the way humans are, make something great and eventually there will be a person who wants to find fault with what you made, not to improve but to simply have their opinion heard :P
 
I think the high prices of the 1080 could be a supply and demand thing.

Once there is a good supply of 1080s I think the price will be more reasonable.
 
If you can just avoid the FE card you won't be paying £600, apart from expensive custom models like classified's, hybrids and the ASUS cards lol.
 
yep, you'd think the cpu market would be brimming with brilliance, but really it's all just entitled children with too much money to spend
 
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