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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

IvanDobskey said:
Yup, and that's a ripoff too ;)

You carry on fuelling ripoff Britain. Personally I like to see some value for money when I buy something.
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Value for money is subjective...

I see value in a Martin acoustic costing 2k made in the US....Others would see value in a Fender acoustic costing 500 made in china


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Too many people with no concept of money and value.

Where does it end? How much would it have to cost before you go 'hey, hang on a minute, I'm not paying that'.

£1000? £2000? Or will you just pay whatever it takes each time nvidia release an incremental upgrade?
 
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Aside from all the whining who's going to be attempting 3/4way SLI once all the other vendor kit is released? Wonder what the performance of that will look like!
 
GFX-Kid said:
Back at it again ;)

Pretty sure you understand there is a lot more to it than just "can't afford it". Though obviously for some that will be the case :(



He just goes with what he feels in that moment it seems. Lol.
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I told people just to get a 980ti rather than wait..

You said for people to wait...

Now the 1080 is what it is..You have now changed your tune completely

You have done what the tories have done

A complete U Turn.

I was right yet again and people are struggling to deal with it. :p
 
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easyrider said:
You need to wake up..

Non FE editions will not be 600!!!!!

Foe the hundredth time.

The 980ti was the same pricxe on release

Why are people such noobs!

Its easy to get!!!!
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A little bit harsh there me thinks !!!

I understand totally what is going on but will see will see...
 
easyrider said:
Against the GTX 980 Ti, a card that launched for $649 and just until recently was considered an ultra high end option the GTX 1080 actually looks like a viable upgrade path, particularly when overclocked. That’s something that could have never been said about the GTX 780 Ti to GTX 980 metric. Not only does it offer 35% higher (on average) framerates than NVIDIA's erstwhile flagship but it does so while consuming less power. While we couldn’t add it into these charts in time, the $999 TITAN X is about 3% faster than the GTX 980 Ti so it would still be beaten like a lazy donkey by NVIDIA’s latest 104-series core. Looking at these results, I can’t help but be anxious for what the GTX 1070 could potentially bring to the table for more budget-conscious gamers.

With all of this being taken into account the GTX 1080 is able to walk all over the R9 Fury X too, at least in DX11 situations. NVIDIA is obviously marching to the beat of a different drummer but don’t count AMD out of the fight just yet. By looking past the initial numbers versus the GTX 1080 we can see AMD’s driver team has been able to leverage their architecture’s strengths and the Fury X is now able to step ahead of NVIDIA’s GTX

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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../72619-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review-25.html
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Sure when you compare stock to stock on a reference card, but we still don't know how the other cards are going to perform. The only thing we know right now is that there is only a 12% increase in performance when both are clocked to their supposed max (until you get power-limited on the GTX 1080 - so unless the partners add another 6 pin and go well beyond the reference they are not going to perform any better).

It's just ignorant to assume that people are running reference cards at stock speeds, when most, if not all, are running custom cards with much higher clocks. Heck even reference cards have no problems reaching 1450mhz. So max OC vs max OC (or average OC for the GTX 980 Ti as I've seen a lot go higher than 1450).

As for the value of the cards themselves, it doesn't matter if the GTX 980 Ti cost more at launch, when it clearly offers much better perf per £ right now. As I said you get approx 12-15% increase in performance (if you're not running on a reference card at stock clocks), which is pretty good, but for 200£*extra it's really not worth it (depends on the person of course). Considering the GTX 980, which the GTX 1080 is supposed to be replacing, cost only 429£*at launch, the £ price-tag becomes even more absurd.

Custom cards are the ones that could make a difference, but as it stands right now, Pascal isn't offering a major advantage over the GTX 980 Ti, which is to be expected because it isn't a top of the line card like the GTX 980 Ti is, especially at the 619£*price-point.
 
easyrider said:
The 980ti was the same price on release so your point is moot....
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This is where the consumer fails, badly.

It's this simple, fixed wafer pricing, more cores per wafer the smaller the core is, wafers don't cost an absurd amount. 980ti quite literally costs 110-120% more to make than a 980, as a 1080ti will cost that much more than a 1080 to make. 1080 is a medium sized core and costs Nvidia dramatically less to make.

Consumers need to inform themselves even marginally then pay a fair price and not pay more just because said company wants them to.

Think of it like this, if the Titan/ti card came out first then Nvidia would never price the 1080 above $400-450 at all. Consider the whole range of cards there will be, where the 1080 fits in and where the cost of the top and low end cards will be and then consider what seems fair for a 1080.

More to the point, once the big core is out Nvidia will be selling the 1080 exactly where they always intended to sell it. The 1080/70 will be a healthily profitable card for Nvidia in the $300-400 range, so why pay more when that is where Nvidia designed and intend to sell it.
 
IvanDobskey said:
Too many people with no concept of money and value.

Where does it end? How much would it have to cost before you go 'hey, hang on a minute, I'm not paying that'.

£1000? £2000? Or will you just pay whatever it takes each time nvidia release an incremental upgrade?
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No

But the 1080 is the same price as the 980ti was on release so nothing has changed...
 
After seeing how hot they get and how bad they throttle, unless the fan is at 100%, I would wait for aftermarket. Tomshardware gave a good review on this and one of the few that stress tested clocks and thermals when gaming and when using furmark.
 
easyrider said:
I told people just to get a 980ti rather than wait..

You said for people to wait...

Now the 1080 is what it is..You have now changed your tune completed.

You have done what the tories have done

A complete U Turn.

I was right yet again and people are struggling to deal with. :p
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Not at all, but nice try ;)

I think people who waited for the 1080 will be getting rewarded with new tech that is better than an 980Ti in every way. Hence it made sense to wait a few months. Nothing has changed there, I was correct.

What does me thinking it is not as powerful/as cheap as I thought it would be for a 16nm card have anything to do with it?

Next... :p
 
drunkenmaster said:
This is where the consumer fails, badly.

It's this simple, fixed wafer pricing, more cores per wafer the smaller the core is, wafers don't cost an absurd amount. 980ti quite literally costs 110-120% more to make than a 980, as a 1080ti will cost that much more than a 1080 to make. 1080 is a medium sized core and costs Nvidia dramatically less to make.

Consumers need to inform themselves even marginally then pay a fair price and not pay more just because said company wants them to.

Think of it like this, if the Titan/ti card came out first then Nvidia would never price the 1080 above $400-450 at all. Consider the whole range of cards there will be, where the 1080 fits in and where the cost of the top and low end cards will be and then consider what seems fair for a 1080.

More to the point, once the big core is out Nvidia will be selling the 1080 exactly where they always intended to sell it. The 1080/70 will be a healthily profitable card for Nvidia in the $300-400 range, so why pay more when that is where Nvidia designed and intend to sell it.
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Agree ..Nvidia are taking the ****
 
easyrider said:
Value for money is subjective...

I see value in a Martin acoustic costing 2k made in the US....Others would see value in a Fender acoustic costing 500 made in china


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The thing is this is the GTX 980 equivalent of the Pascal series, and as such should be priced at a similar price-level as the gtx 980 at launch. Yet Nvidia are pricing it well beyond that at 619£. It only offers 12-15% increase in performance over custom GTX 980 Tis (manually overclocked of course), that are now being sold for 400£ (used) (590€ brand new).This is price gouging at its finest.
 
Ayahuasca said:
This way of thinking makes zero sense, if you're comparing between series then pricing of this 1080 should be made against the 980.
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This.

Easy to be spun by Nv marketing though as they are that good at it, some would be buying it no matter the cost, others think it's a bargain and using every excuse under the sun to make the price look 'normal' when it clearly isn't.
 
Toss3 said:
The thing is this is the GTX 980 equivalent of the Pascal series, and as such should be priced at a similar price-level as the gtx 980 at launch. Yet Nvidia are pricing it well beyond that at 619£. It only offers 12-15% increase in performance over custom GTX 980 Tis (manually overclocked of course), that are now being sold for 400£ (used) (590€ brand new).This is price gouging at its finest.
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Its all about the speed..

One can look and compare gen to gen...

But NV look on speed...and price it accordingly.
 
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