Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

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Who will rule Westeros?

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n111ck said:
if it was in the past then surely the Nights King would just be waiting outside as he would already know what was going to happen
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So they just teleported to his location immediately?

How far away was he during the battle with the wildlings? How long ago was that in real terms? How far is that from Branns location?

(Those aren't rhetoric questions btw).

He could have touched him 40 years ago and was on the other side of the realm. He may have been busy building an army in that time and he couldn't just catch a train.

You guys might be right but I don't get the impression his army was hiding behind a couple of trees waiting to mark Brann.
 
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ShortWarning said:
They should have seen an army like that creeping up on them from 40 miles away though so either they hadn't left the tree for a while or something else is going on.
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not being funny as I wasn't trying to start an argument but was genuinely curious in the reasons why you thought there had to be a long journey, but you don't seem to be answering the questions I asked

whether it was long ago or not raises different questions as I outlined before - I was curious as to why you thought it was in the past too? I mean obviously the trees can be used to see the present too - the three eyed raven guy has been watching bran through his life for example

ref sneaking up - we've seen that already, for example when Jon and the rest of the nights watch went on the big ranging and it all went cold then that army was suddenly upon them, they do seem to be able to sneak up on people
 
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The last time we saw the WWs they were at Hardhome. Before that, they were at the Fist of the First Men. Bran is much further north. The Night's King surely needed a reason to turn his army around and march so far north?

That then begs the question; why were Bran and the Three Eyed Raven that important? What is it that the Three Eyed Raven knew that made him enough of a threat to turn around and travel so far?
 
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satchef1 said:
This undead army is recent. The White Walkers would have had another one back when they first roamed the world. I suspect we won't know which one Bran saw until the book comes out.

Personally, I think it was in the past. The last time we saw the White Walkers they were much further south than Bran. Why would they travel north again without good reason? Like Hodor, The Night's King must have known something.
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that is what I'm curious about - if it was in the past how did they know he'd be there now and not know he was already there a day or two ago say?

the only options I can think of are that if it was in the past then him being touched and having that mark on him now somehow gave off a signal to them when it appeared on him in the present as he woke up - in which case they'd have to have been reasonably close to get there so soon

or it was the present and in seeing him they know he was there not just the three eyed raven and therefore they decided to go to the root cave


ref them travelling north, they've been north for a while - we've not see them venture much to the south yet, it seems they have been sticking north so far... we've seen them at craster's where they get new white walkers and we've seen them at hard home because that is where there was a large concentration of humans for them to add to their undead army
 
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TBH I suspect the correct answer is simply that the showrunners have had to give up considering these things. As the seasons have gone by, the show has become incredibly complex and little things like time and distance have had to be ignored. There are too many other considerations. The undead army probably was the current one, and it's simply moved inexplicably quickly.

Meera will probably arrive at The Wall in episode 6 or 7, despite the fact that she's alone pulling a cripple on a pallet in Arctic conditions, behind enemy lines with no supplies or equipment.

Euron's 1000 ships build by a small population, and on islands with barely any trees, will likely be ready by the end of the season.
 
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dowie said:
not being funny as I wasn't trying to start an argument but was genuinely curious in the reasons why you thought there had to be a long journey, but you don't seem to be answering the questions I asked

whether it was long ago or not raises different questions as I outlined before - I was curious as to why you thought it was in the past too? I mean obviously the trees can be used to see the present too - the three eyed raven guy has been watching bran through his life for example

ref sneaking up - we've seen that already, for example when Jon and the rest of the nights watch went on the big ranging and it all went cold then that army was suddenly upon them, they do seem to be able to sneak up on people
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Sorry. I didn't see any questions in your previous post.
RE your last line though. White walkers have been around for a while, since before there was snow in the North (there was no snow when the first one was created from what I remember from last nights episode).

The reason I think it's the past is because although you're right, we have seem them sneak up before, for them to arrive at the exact moment he wakes up would have been quite a feat (seeing as though there is a clear view of the horizon outside of the tree (in all fairness it would have been a feat either way). The white walkers have also been busy doing other things in the mean time.


Either way, I don't think it matters too much really.
 
Timeline complexity scaled up to maximum. Bran looked shocked at his new ice tattoo and then the King turns up almost immediately, not really sure how to compute that at the moment.

More importantly, I think, the Hodor paradox has set a new precedent. Current events actively influenced someone in the past. Can Bran now go back and tamper with the timeline? If he can, are the current events already altered? Are weirwoods now the most important tree in Westeros? Questions.. questions..
 
gord said:
Timeline complexity scaled up to maximum. Bran looked shocked at his new ice tattoo and then the King turns up almost immediately, not really sure how to compute that at the moment.

More importantly, I think, the Hodor paradox has set a new precedent. Current events actively influenced someone in the past. Can Bran now go back and tamper with the timeline? If he can, are the current events already altered? Are weirwoods now the most important tree in Westeros? Questions.. questions..
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It's pointing towards the "What ever happened, happened" style of time paradox for me.
 
gord said:
Timeline complexity scaled up to maximum. Bran looked shocked at his new ice tattoo and then the King turns up almost immediately, not really sure how to compute that at the moment.

More importantly, I think, the Hodor paradox has set a new precedent. Current events actively influenced someone in the past. Can Bran now go back and tamper with the timeline? If he can, are the current events already altered? Are weirwoods now the most important tree in Westeros? Questions.. questions..
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Think the king always knew he was there from the visit in the past and touching him, but didn't bother attacking as he couldn't, until Bran had been touched in the present, by the past, to break the magical protection.

I wonder if he knows Bran and Jon are related. He took an interest in Jon too at the docks. If he saw into Bran when he touched him, it's possible he might.
 
In more positive news, hopefully we get to see 'more' of the new red witch ;)
 
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ShortWarning said:
It's pointing towards the "What ever happened, happened" style of time paradox for me.
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You're probably right, it keeps it easier for them. Hodor's infliction was quite convenient too. I wonder if he was able to make any sense of what he saw from the future. He could have blown the whole thing if he was actually able to speak.
 
Gilly said:
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What exactly was uncalled for there?
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The way you said it - like ohh its Surfer he's special blah blah. Pretty rude tbh and obviously made at my expense without attempting to engage the topic... Ergo just a troll post

Surprised neither you or Richdog received infractions for your comments.

Please try to follow ocuk's own rules and if you will not fairly adminster the rules to everyone maybe think again about being a mod thanks.

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We also expect members to behave respectfully and not launch personal or abusive attacks on other members.
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More notably...none of the 3 of you even bothered to respond to the excellent post by sneakysnail that gave clear evidence re: Sansa character

That makes it clear that you were all just trolling.
 
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gord said:
Timeline complexity scaled up to maximum. Bran looked shocked at his new ice tattoo and then the King turns up almost immediately, not really sure how to compute that at the moment.

More importantly, I think, the Hodor paradox has set a new precedent. Current events actively influenced someone in the past. Can Bran now go back and tamper with the timeline? If he can, are the current events already altered? Are weirwoods now the most important tree in Westeros? Questions.. questions..
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My take is that by touching him in the past the king will have known he was there for however many years it was since that point, so will have always been heading there to that point in time thus seemingly instantaneous.

Hodor
 
Lol at this thread. Almost every reply is in a spoiler box. Might as well just make the whole thing a spoiler thread, and if you're stupid enough to enter without first having seen it then you're obviously an idiot. :o
 
Lol at this thread. Almost every reply is in a spoiler box. Might as well just make the whole thing a spoiler thread, and if you're stupid enough to enter without first having seen it then you're obviously an idiot. :o

Agreed

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yeah, could the mods have a rethink perhaps on the episode spoilers before the 9pm showing rule? looking back at this thread: since 2am this morning and now virtually all posts have been about the recent episode... I've not seen anyone just happening to pop into the thread to discuss something about episode 3 or 4 say having not yet watched episode 5

surely given that lots of people do watch this on a Monday morning (either 2am or when they get up ) and seem to want to discuss it couldn't the rule simply be changed to the usual aired in the UK rule? Saving the spoiler tags for the odd bit of book talk and preview stuff. Literally no one seems to come in here on a Monday to discuss much else.
 
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