Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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No, I know what I'm voting on. I'm voting to leave a bloated, authoritarian, ineffective, inefficient, expensive super-bureaucracy.
No, they don't.
Britain is not a member of the Schengen agreement. We have an opt-in on EU immigration policies if we wish to do so.
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This isnt a vote on the Houses of Commons y'know!
To maintain the overall integrity of the union - to do anything otherwise would be a sign of weakness at the highest level surely - how would it appear to the rest of the members if special treatment was granted for Poland on a fundamental matter? What would be the point of a unified entity if everyone didn't follow the rules - which we have a say in! What if the British government did something fundamental that was highly contentious - isn't it better that we have the EU where issues can be raised above that?
And like many other countries in the EU, that doesn't currently apply to us. In the future, it may, but equally, it may not. You can't argue this as a fact to support your position!
I'll freely admit I don't know enough about the entire situation with Ireland and Greece so can't comment on this point.
So much this!
Promise me, if you see me in that thread, just shoot me!
Hold on, you're a Trump supporter as well, I only meant that figuratively! !
I am actually worried about how divisive this is going to be though, as there will be exactly the same things as that thread happening in the media, politics....I can honestly say, as much as I am dedicated to remain, if it's an out vote, then that's that. We have spoken and we just have to get on and do our best in that direction.
(I may take the mick the odd time your new guys **** up though
)They could legislate to do so and use their version of democracy to do so. It was being considered at the very least.
So much this!
Promise me, if you see me in that thread, just shoot me!
Hold on, you're a Trump supporter as well, I only meant that figuratively! !
I am actually worried about how divisive this is going to be though, as there will be exactly the same things as that thread happening in the media, politics....I can honestly say, as much as I am dedicated to remain, if it's an out vote, then that's that. We have spoken and we just have to get on and do our best in that direction.
(I may take the mick the odd time your new guys **** up though
Same here, though it won't stop me shouting "I told you so!" on this forum until I or this forum dies, whichever comes sooner. If that doesn't persuade people to vote Leave I dunno what will
I didn't hear him speak so I can't comment on what he said. But the idea that parliament would even think about blocking the passage of an EU exit bill after a Leave vote is utterly absurd.
Do you really have that little faith in our democracy? Can you point to a single time that the UK government has rejected the result of a referendum? Hell, I can't think of a single MP who voted against an act resulting from a referendum.
Same here, though it won't stop me shouting "I told you so!" on this forum until I or this forum dies, whichever comes sooner. If that doesn't persuade people to vote Leave I dunno what will
Now that's a dirty tactic
Well that's what he said, he was quite certain that no referendum bill will get through Parliament because of the massive amount of pro-EU mp's who will not vote for it.
There is not a whole lot to know, just that democracy was ignored once and then again and then some wool was pulled over the peoples eyes.
It goes like this: I get a letter through from my mortgage company. Raoh, you are £5,500 in arrears and we are taking you to court where you will get costs added on. I go to Court kick their butts they request a leave of stay or something else. 6months later another letter. Same rigmarole and do this a few more times. In order for my mortgage company to beat me and make/force me to owe them, the mortgage company has to keep doing it until a) a judge says enough b) they run out of arguments vs my rebuttals or the most easy and what they did with Ireland c) rely on me not showing up so they get a default position. Raoh you not owe us 5500+400. Appeal is too costly for me so I now have a levvy.
Its a similar juxtaposition with how the EU behaved with Ireland.
Greece was forced to accept an unrepayable loans with Greek assets used as collateral. In fact, forced to accept several unrepayable loans. Its going to take some very clever fiscal juggling for the Greeks to stablise and repay this money.
£27k per person in Greece. Easy money when you have the power of Law behind you
They really couldn't without our consent.
So much this!
Promise me, if you see me in that thread, just shoot me!
Hold on, you're a Trump supporter as well, I only meant that figuratively! !
I am actually worried about how divisive this is going to be though, as there will be exactly the same things as that thread happening in the media, politics....I can honestly say, as much as I am dedicated to remain, if it's an out vote, then that's that. We have spoken and we just have to get on and do our best in that direction.
(I may take the mick the odd time your new guys **** up though
Haha its ok Fb just hope I don't meet you in real life.... Lol jk
That will be round 2 and I think mods should allow name calling in it just for a laugh.
It has been divisive, yes. The nation will recover and life will carry on regardless of the vote even though if we remain it will mean that:
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Not really gonna post everything again... *Yawns*
Consent... And the EU... Hahaha you are joking right? The EU not doing something without consent to which it has done repeatedly to the people of Europe... My goodness
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You're letting your preconceptions cloud any sort of objective analysis. The EU isn't perfect and can sometimes make decisions that adversely affect some members, but it's not a dictatorship.
The only MPs I could possibly see voting against it are the SNP who will claim to represent Scotland. Every MP from the major parties will vote with the British MP. Parliament will not seek to overrule the British people.
No, you are voting on something you (all of us) can't even comprehend let alone being "qualified" to make a decision on.
It might seem to you that it is all those things you've said but without having complete understanding of the EU you are not in position to judge it. That's my opinion anyway.
There are more greys here than on EL James's bookshelf."
Quote from Martin Lewis. There is no 100% right or 100% wrong here," he adds.
He is 45% leave 55% remain on the economy and hence will vote remain. He rejects the 'spin and spittle@ on both sides commenting that we have never done this before, we may be a lean tiger economy or in the doldrums with no one to deal with. Nobody knows.
On June 24th, we will have one answer and no one will know if we have done better than the other option because there is no data. However all the spin will only cause bad feelings for one side or the other regardless.
For most people it will be a question of heart over mind or a feeling in the gut. Like 1975, most people were not knowledgeable and many voted on the price of butter or some other agenda or who they ultimately trusted.
So I would put that there are no hard facts on post 24th June Britain.
There will be countless disgruntled people who are the loser or who think that they are based on what they have been told up till then.
However it will be impossible to determine even when we have gone down the road a few years
Quote from Martin Lewis. There is no 100% right or 100% wrong here," he adds.
He is 45% leave 55% remain on the economy and hence will vote remain. He rejects the 'spin and spittle@ on both sides commenting that we have never done this before, we may be a lean tiger economy or in the doldrums with no one to deal with. Nobody knows.
On June 24th, we will have one answer and no one will know if we have done better than the other option because there is no data. However all the spin will only cause bad feelings for one side or the other regardless.
For most people it will be a question of heart over mind or a feeling in the gut. Like 1975, most people were not knowledgeable and many voted on the price of butter or some other agenda or who they ultimately trusted.
So I would put that there are no hard facts on post 24th June Britain.
There will be countless disgruntled people who are the loser or who think that they are based on what they have been told up till then.
However it will be impossible to determine even when we have gone down the road a few years
Burnsy... The evidence totally refutes the idea that the EU needs a nations consent. They have repeatedly ignored nations and their peoples right to consent. That has been objectively analysed for the purpose of what? You got it... Money and power
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