Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

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Smokey Deza said:
Could barely stand?

He was trekking across mountains with Arya and when he crosses paths with Brienne he's gunning for a fight.

He lost fair and square.
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Sorry, but of course he didn't. He was suffering from a major injury that would have killed lesser men. He was in overall poor condition and faced a relatively fresh person wearing proper kit.
 
lol wut.

He was all confrontational eyeing up her sword, something about 'I always wanted a Valaryian steel sword.'

You don't pick a fight with someone, lose, and then claim it wasn't a fair fight because you've got a sore neck.

The Hound doesn't think so. He even acknowledged to the group community guy that he was 'beated by a girl.'

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Smokey Deza said:
I reckon Sansa was writing to Baelish, who'll swoop in at the last second and turn the tide agaisnt the Boltons.
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Littlefinger has a royal decree naming him Warden in The North should he defeat the Boltons. He's not in this solely to help Sansa. As Warden of The North and Lord Protector of The Vale he would be one of the most powerful men in Westeros.

He was always going to attack Winterfell. It remains to be seen what he'll do with Jon, Sansa and Rickon afterwards. I have a funny feeling he'll want to marry Sansa to give his position more credibility with the Northerners. Or he'll seek to marry her to Robin. It's tricky though. He avoided the subject of The Starks when he discussed The Boltons and Stannis with Cersei, so he hasn't got strict instructions as to what he's to do with them. But at the same time, he can't really go antagonising the Crown. Powerful as he might be, his power comes directly from the authority Tommen has bestowed upon him.
 
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Smokey Deza said:
lol wut.

He was all confrontational eyeing up her sword, something about 'I always wanted a Valaryian steel sword.'

You don't pick a fight with someone, lose, and then claim it wasn't a fair fight because you've got a soar neck.

The Hound doesn't think so. He even acknowled to the group community guy that he was 'beated by a girl.'
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Nah. There's no way it could've been a fair fight. I mean, she's a woman and he's a man. Obvious, innit?
 
Smokey Deza said:
lol wut.

He was all confrontational eyeing up her sword, something about 'I always wanted a Valaryian steel sword.'

You don't pick a fight with someone, lose, and then claim it wasn't a fair fight because you've got a sore neck.

The Hound doesn't think so. He even acknowledged to the group community guy that he was 'beated by a girl.'

Edit spelling fail.
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i wouldn't say he was that confrontational all things considered. arya says she isn't going with brienne and the hound tells her to **** off and brienne replys by saying she is coming with her and drawing her sword, shes actually the one that starts the fight after all the posturing.

as for ther neck thing, well it's not really a spoiler but in the books that's what kills him, he never meets brienne. It's his fear of fire and him not burning the wound that kills him*
. Brienne gets a lot more credit in the show than the books, most of her fights kinda have an astresk next to them. jamie being a starved prisoner with his hands shackled, her fight with lloris she kinda loses the dual and only after being disarmed she basically rugby tackles him from her horse knocking him of his and landing on him. she is always fighting people she physically dominates making up for her lower level of skill. the hound on the other hand is bigger and probably more skilled. book hound vs book brienne would kinda be one sided from how they are written. He's a 6ft8 beast who goes around routinely fighting 4-5 soldiers at a time, while he's not out jousting jamie and going toe to toe with his 7ft 10 brother.
 
I don't get how Jon can beat Ramsey. Stanis was a much more proven as a fighter with an army and had a bigger army than Jon and he got whipped by the Boltons. I can only think Ramsey will over reach somehow.
 
sneakysnail said:
i wouldn't say he was that confrontational all things considered.
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Nope :p

The Hound is the aggressor. He pretty much has his hand clenched on his sword hilt from the get go. He advances towards Brienne, insulting her, calling her a dumb bitch, claiming she works for the Lannisters and that she's come for the bounty on his head.

Brienne does very little other than stand still. She is the first to fully unsheath her sword yes but only because Sandor is all up in her face goading her.
 
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I don't really see what relevance that has to if he's fighting fit or not... that's all that was put forward, he lost, but wasn't 100%. Whether or not he brought it on is surely irrelevant?
 
dannyjo22 said:
I don't get how Jon can beat Ramsey. Stanis was a much more proven as a fighter with an army and had a bigger army than Jon and he got whipped by the Boltons. I can only think Ramsey will over reach somehow.
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But it's a reasonable bet the letter Sansa wrote will bring Little Finger riding in with the knights of the vale, even if it's only because he fancies his chances to grasp more power/favour for himself. Though it might be a curve ball and the letter is meant for someone else??? Unless he sells them up the river and sides with Ramsey??? Though all the bringing Jon back from the dead would all be somewhat pointless only to see him trampled into the mud in battle. Plus as yet we have only had a glimpse of what Brann may be capable of, even though he's on the back foot at the moment.

I'm missing Tyrion being on song at the moment, great character that's fizzled out a little at the mo.
 
Smokey Deza said:
Nope :p

The Hound is the aggressor. He pretty much has his hand clenched on his sword hilt from the get go. He advances towards Brienne, insulting her, calling her a dumb bitch, claiming she works for the Lannisters and that she's come for the bounty on his head.

Brienne does very little other than stand still. She is the first to fully unsheath her sword yes but only because Sandor is all up in her face goading her.
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her hands on the sword right from the very start. he's only matching what shes doing. they both are. shes moves forward when talking to arya, then hes moves forward in front of ayra when he thinks shes paid by the lannsters. when shes says arya is coming with her he draws his saw a bit as a warning to back off. they're both posturing and not backing down, he correctly points out that there's no where for her to take arya and she doesn't really know what shes doing. she seems to take offense to the idea that the hound is looking after arya, finds it almost laughable and then draws her sword to try and kill him and take arya against her will.

the hound is being defensive or arya and following aryas lead, its brienne being the more aggressive of the two. I mean whats he supposed to do? a knight with a gold lanister sword turns up and insists that arya comes with her, he's not going to sit down and invite her to share a cup of tea is he.
 
sneakysnail said:
its brienne being the more aggressive of the two.
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Brienne isn't even looking at Sandor for the most part. Even when he's pressing forward mouthing her off with insults and slander, she addresses and defends herself to Arya, not Sandor, in an effort to avoid escalating things.

It's only when Brienne realises she's at an impasse her eyes light up and she's like '**** it, lets do this then' and unsheathes her sword.

Sandor could have invited her in for a cup of tea and it still would have resulted in the same. Brienne would leave with Arya through any means necessary, but to say Brienne is the more aggressive of the two in this instance is nonesense.
 
Smokey Deza said:
Sandor could have invited her in for a cup of tea and it still would have resulted in the same.Brienne would leave with Arya through any means necessary, but to say Brienne is the more aggressive of the two in this instance is nonesense.
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And that is why she's the aggressor in this case. Arya told her to do one and Sandor wouldn't trust anyone with Lannister ties. She wasn't going to leave without Arya and the only way that was happening would have been through violence.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Indeed. The neck was doubtless a factor, but he knows he got beaten.
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The neck was more than "a factor". First: the neck would was telegraphed as seriously weakening him for two or three episodes before the fight. Arya comments on it. The reason why he was taking a dump when Brienne arrived was likely blood poisoning induced diarrhoea. Otherwise why mention what he was doing. Note how much he flinches when struck on the neck, compared to all the other injuries, including a kick in the groin.

But most of all, look at his state after his fall. The shoulder of his armour has been torn down, and you can same kind of infection that Khal Drogo had in the first series covering all his shoulder. By the time Drogo had that much infection he was near comatose.
 
Moothead2 said:
And that is why she's the aggressor in this case. Arya told her to do one and Sandor wouldn't trust anyone with Lannister ties. She wasn't going to leave without Arya and the only way that was happening would have been through violence.
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On reflection now I kinda agree with SneakySnail. The Hound was definitely the aggressor for the most part but had the grounds to be. Brienne on the other hand was trying to be diplomatic but just saw red when she didn't get her way.
 
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