Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Six6siX said:
Is that in reference to St Albans? If you think my perspective is based solely on my current location you are highly mistaken - that'd be quite short sighted of me. Regardless, even the most affluent of areas have locations that are immigrant 'hubs' and immigrants who work and integrate into society.

There will always be a number that don't, however and that's unavoidable but to make a sweeping generalisation to think we should leave the EU solely because of that is a bit strange.

I was getting at the fact that your figure of 330.000 is innacurate and misleading because a bulk of that is already under control of our government and is non EU. I posted earlier in this thread about the industry destinations and class of employment of EU and non EU immigrants. There is a pretty even distribution in most cases.
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No disrespect, but you living in St. Albans are going to have no where near the same experience of Eastern European immigration as for example my friend who lives in Chapeltown in Leeds, he's currently in the middle of downsizing his house to a flat so he can move out of the area due to how much it's changed over the past 10 years. Not many working class immigrants are going to be able to live in your area, this is just a fact
 
Roar87 said:
No disrespect, but you living in St. Albans are going to have no where near the same experience of Eastern European immigration as for example my friend who lives in Chapeltown in Leeds, he's currently in the middle of downsizing his house to a flat so he can move out of the area due to how much it's changed over the past 10 years. Not many working class immigrants are going to be able to live in your area, this is just a fact
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None taken but you don't know me. I was born, lived and grew up in one of the roughest areas of Sheffield and moved to St Albans relatively recently so to think I don't have perspective is simply wrong.
 
I'm sick of all the immigration arguments on the radio/tv etc.

Why can't everyone just agree that skilled imigration is a good thing and unskilled is not. Are there figures showing the difference at the moment?

Put a skills based visa scheme in place and boom argument solved.

The arguments as soon as anyone comes on saying they are against unchecked immigration are always "blah blah x% of nurses on the nhs are foreign" etc etc.
 
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All the poll-of-polls I'm looking at have it pretty much pegged at 50:50 at the moment.
I think any poll that shows a lead for either camp at the moment is within the margin of error.
 
Rilot said:
All the poll-of-polls I'm looking at have it pretty much pegged at 50:50 at the moment.
I think any poll that shows a lead for either camp at the moment is within the margin of error.
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Very much does depend on the unknowns, and which camp actually gets a good turnout.
I think such a split is inherently bad for the country.
 
Caged said:
What reasons are your friend giving for downsizing to move out of the area? "It's changed" doesn't really say a lot.
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Complete lack of respect for the area, rubbish everywhere, groups of young men hanging around in the street all day, things getting stolen from your Garden. I mean basically a massive clash of cultures.
 
soundb0y said:
I'm sick of all the immigration arguments on the radio/tv etc.

Why can't everyone just agree that skilled imigration is a good thing and unskilled is not. Are there figures showing the difference at the moment?

Put a skills based visa scheme in place and boom argument solved.

The arguments as soon as anyone comes on saying they are against unchecked immigration are always "blah blah x% of nurses on the nhs are foreign" etc etc.
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The overall distribution by industry sector does agree that large number of immigrants come into unskilled jobs across a number of industries but as a percentage of the industry it is a fraction (less than 1% in many cases). There are more into skilled positions as an industry percentage but fewer as an actual figure. So the overall impact on the employment statistic is pretty negligible - so I wouldn't say that that in itself is a bad thing. Source: here.

However, I think the wider argument has very little to do with whether the immigrants are skilled or unskilled despite the focus on that aspect. Other factors include their perceived 'burden' on public services and social aspects. However, regardless of their employment level, they are contributing into economy through tax, NI, VAT etc.

I think that some people who see immigration as a blanket negative thing lean that way because of their interaction with a community or individual socially or how they might be affected outside of work (e.g. Roar87's friend). It just so happens that a generalised correlation can be drawn between the number of social issues and job level and it's more 'acceptable' to argue the economic case rather than the social one. Lets not forget that this correlation applies just as prominently to native British people.
 
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