Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Six6siX]

There is the list of 250 many of which are manufacturers (just google search to get the list). And the CoC members list who back the Leave.

There are a bunch of technology companies, big and small that back remain. As well as some manufacturing and aerospace. So it's not as black and white as you suggest.

 

[Kenai]

Shhhhh, you can't say that to some of the remainers here, they believe a "higher power" of expert technocrats knows best and don't like to think for themselves.

The problem comes from the fact that for much of the public 'thinking for themselves' ultimately means 'believing whatever gets shared on Facebook most'

They'll apply no more critical thinking to "immigrants are to blame for all your problems VOTE OUT" than they would for the perpetual cycle of "share this message or Facebook will charge you a thousand pounds to use it"

 

[do_ron_ron]

Sir James Dyson has, apparently, quite passionately in favour of leaving the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/

Quite the boon for the leave campaign, but to be expected. The stories I have read about European vacuum manufacturers trying to cripple Dyson would sour anyone's opinion of the EU.

He also said Britain should join the Euro in the past.

 

[scorza]

The problem comes from the fact that for much of the public 'thinking for themselves' ultimately means 'believing whatever gets shared on Facebook most'

They'll apply no more critical thinking to "immigrants are to blame for all your problems VOTE OUT" than they would for the perpetual cycle of "share this message or Facebook will charge you a thousand pounds to use it"

That's democracy for you - the worst system of government apart from all the others. People who are entitled to vote may do so for any reason they wish, by crowd-sourcing the overall outcome you usually get a sensible response from the voting public.

 

[McBain]

Removed.

Go back to France and carry on rioting.... Then complain about Europe

What?

 

[do_ron_ron]

Dyson does have some reasonable points there - in particular:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/



this is party due to immigration targets which have had to be tighten even more (despite being rather futile) thanks to uncontrolled EU immigration, a more efficient points based system and allowing graduates of UK universities to stay on would be quite useful

Also due to the fact that the UK does not value scientists and engineers so the promotion and pay lag well behind the banking casino gamblers.

 

[Narj]

Just watched the big debate - blimey, Rudd and Sturgeon came across as venomous IMO and leave did well to not be riled. What a car crash.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

LOANS. At very high interest rates compared of what the others borrow to loan to Greece, to pay back the loans that are due.

Every single country in the Eurozone who lent to Greece has made a huge profit on the difference at the back of the Greek tax payers. The Germans especially a whooping 5% annually.

FYI. German state companies are buying Greek state profitable (monopoly) assets. eg Fraport,
And that is the democracy behind the EU or the "bail out money" you mentioned


And all these against a country, that has lost 34% of their GPD, has 27% unemployment, (FYI less than 1/3 of the population are actually financially active) and the new austerity passed, demands the country to run a surplus 3.5% annually.
How? The hospitals have no medication and performing only the very emergency operations. Schools are going on reduced term from next year (2 x 4 months not 3x3), while hours are cut also. And courses. Off going a big amount of courses like Ancient Greek, Geography etc. And the rest reduced to keep the hours less.

All very interesting but when a country build an entirely new underground system costing billions and then uses a honesty system as a ticketing system you know something fundamentally is wrong!

In no way am I saying the people of Greece deserve this however it's slightly unfair to blame everything on the EU.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

If we vote out and the country turns to **** i'll be off to live and work in France.

 

[Metallifux]

If we vote out and the country turns to **** i'll be off to live and work in France.

But why wait for it to turn to **** just be on your way?

 

[Roar87]

If we vote out and the country turns to **** i'll be off to live and work in France.

Heaven forbid we govern ourselves! Oh no!

 

[Gilly]

If we vote out and the country turns to **** i'll be off to live and work in France.

Unfortunately the worst thing is that will likely be much more difficult if we've left

 

[semi-pro waster]

Dyson does have some reasonable points there - in particular:

The problem with the EU’s free movement of people is that it doesn’t bring Dyson the brilliant boffins he needs. “We’re not allowed to employ them, unless they’re from the EU. At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It’s crazy.”

this is party due to immigration targets which have had to be tighten even more (despite being rather futile) thanks to uncontrolled EU immigration, a more efficient points based system and allowing graduates of UK universities to stay on would be quite useful

If the UK votes to leave the EU then is there not a distinct chance that EU engineers will also have to go through a visa process? Obviously no one can say for definite how it would work at this point but it is perfectly possible that everyone then has to go through a visa process and not just the non-EU engineers (or whatever profession) - if that is the case then I wouldn't immediately assume it'll be quicker and easier to get the people the business needs although that is the best case scenario. It might equally be that all go though the process at the current pace if you assume the demand is consistent in specific sectors or it might even get worse because there's now many more potentially having to go through a visa process (i.e. X,000 non-EU engineers currently plus Y,000 EU engineers who previously didn't need a visa) so rather than being able to recruit EU engineers quickly and non-EU engineers more slowly then everyone is recruited more slowly. I'm not convinced that would count as a benefit if it slows down for everyone - maybe it's fairer though?

As for Mr Dyson

If he exports after Brexit, he will use multiple languages, he will supply a euro plug, he will have the box in different safety warning, as he will still have to comply with CE and EU rules to sell there after Brexit, and better still any movement in the pound will still wipe millions out of the value.

None of this gets better under Brexit. It remains the same or potentially worse if duties are imposed. What he is really pushing is a single currency. That which we never seemed to want

That was similar to my reading of the article - what was being highlighted doesn't necessarily get better, it might quite easily remain very similar or even get worse. There are some things that leaving the EU might improve either subjectively or objectively and if those are things you care about then it makes sense to vote along those lines but a lot of the analysis and estimates (from both sides) are being presented in ways that are, shall we say, a little bit questionable.

 

[Mr Jack]

this is party due to immigration targets which have had to be tighten even more (despite being rather futile) thanks to uncontrolled EU immigration, a more efficient points based system and allowing graduates of UK universities to stay on would be quite useful

No, that was Tory policy. He's blaming the EU for Tory policy. There's no necessary connection at all between EU migration and the lunacy of the Tory's non-EU migration policies.

Also, right now, net non-EU migration is well above the number being talked about in the Leave camp (<100,000 for Boris/Gove, 50,000 from Farage) and no-one is talking about ending EU migration completely. So, in fact, if the Leavers get their way it's going to become harder, not easier, to bring people from outside the EU in.

I do think it's ironic that supposedly pro-market individuals are so keen to introduce top-down, bureaucratic, government controls into the supply of immigrant labour and, make no mistake, that's what a points based system is.

 

[Mr Jack]

There is the list of 250 many of which are manufacturers (just google search to get the list). And the CoC members list who back the Leave.

That's still a very small number of companies compared to the number of companies in the UK. All the polling of companies I've seen suggests that companies of all sizes favour Remain (although less strongly for smaller companies, there's still a Remain lead).

I wondered whether there was anything about export companies in particular you can point to. FullFact say that export led small companies are more strongly in favour of Remain based on this survey by the FSB.

So it seems to me there isn't much support for the assertion that companies with a lot of exports favour Leave.

 

[kitch9]

Well one thing is certain if we Brexit the pound will plummet, the markets are becoming increasingly uncertain at the moment, as what looked like 'remain' vote, is now looking anything but. It is completely uncertainly, and frankly either side winning by 1% is an overall arsing about match, and disaster for future policy makers.
How can such a thing be so utterly split, than any response leads to half the nation in a state of discontent with the result.
I think the overall effect is actually bad for Britain, I think this entire campaign from both sides has been bad for Britain.
In the past week the pound has lost 4-5% against Asian currencies. It's lost less against the dollar, but it has still lost.

Just how good will our exports be, when our imports, half of what we buy in the shops jump 20% or more in price as the pound spirals down.

Last time it happened was the quantitative easing associated with the collapse, and the prices we pay for every item of food in Tesco's haven't remotely recovered to 2008 levels, we're paying dramatically more, no matter what inflation stats tell us.

This vote has bene bad for the country, and I worry what the drop over the next two weeks will be. Leave will then result in a crash.

You mean the similar market fluctuations we see around a general election as the flurry of market bets and activities increases on the guess of the results?

Proper scary.

The markets are essentially a massive casino who loves situations like this.

 

[POB]

Voted Remain, via postal ballot.

 

[Roar87]

Voted Remain, via postal ballot.

I don't know how anyone can see the fact we have 330,000 people coming into the country each year and go that's cool man, more of the same please

 

[Six6siX]

I don't know how anyone can see the fact we have 330,000 people coming into the country each year and go that's cool man, more of the same please

Tell me more about how that's the only point to consider.

Also keen to know how your point takes into account emigration, non EU immigration and current government policies in the context of this vote?

 

[twist3d0n3]

well worth a watch.