Show me a normal election that has 75-25% it doesn't exist. 4% more voted out.
Now if it was the other way round you would be telling me to shut up
Those people that embrace the UK leaving will do better in the long run.
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Show me a normal election that has 75-25% it doesn't exist. 4% more voted out.
Now if it was the other way round you would be telling me to shut up
Those people that embrace the UK leaving will do better in the long run.
Because a normal election isn't a Yes/No question.
Tell me again how we embrace something we don't know anything about right now?
Labour MP David Lammy endorsing contempt for the referendum result
This situation can be totally reversed though. If we'd decided to vote in then the EU dropped a few bombshells on us that we didn't like the remain voters could be feeling the same way.
I am struggling to understand how all those in the remain camp ultimately know that remaining in is the best choice. Can someone please explain this to me? The same as those in the leave camp ultimately do not know it will result in being the best choice. Leaving is however the choice that has been voted for so we now have to go with it.
In my head I cannot tell you where either path will have lead us in 5 or 10 years time so you all must have some type of super power that I do not. It does appear that people are reacting like this due to fear of the unknown, which I can understand.
But why would 48% of the population wish to embrace the other 52% who seemingly hate to embrace anyone who isn't British?
The situation sadly is so deeply divisive that this is going to rumble on for a long time to come, even if Article 50 gets activated. I would think it likely there'll be a pro-EU political movement starting up if that happens, a reverse of UKIP.
One thing is for sure, British politics can't now return to business as usual. Whether that's a good or bad thing time will tell.
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I can see them being buggered sideways by their erstwhile Tory and media 'allies', especially if BoJo is in charge and FPTP remains. Getting a few seats in the Midlands or the North won't help them much, as they'll just end up cocking that up as they do currently at the EUP. After the referendum, what's the point of any decent and effective Tory or Labour politician switching their allegiance also? I predict a very Lib Dem curse for them as the third party -- not getting above 14% vote share on a 66% turnout, too thinly spread, a few number two finishes collapsing as tactical voters return to their main preferences.
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It's the uncertainty and unknown that I think is getting most people's backs up coupled with what we have seen so far...and we've not even left yet! This wouldn't have been quite so bad if we knew what the hell was going on.
You're right that neither knows which is the best course of action but there was quite clearly one that would have resulted in more stability and a semblance of structure going forward.
Yes it is. Do you vote for Labour yes/No...do you vote for tory yes/no see the pattern
Just carry on...nothing has or will change. Well you will get a nice shiny BRITISH passport in 2020.
And you may or may not need a visa after 2020. Both are no big deal.
Vast majority of the people I know who voted out (including myself) did so because they viewed an EU reform (which is much needed) couldn't happen whilst everyone was being yes men.
Reform would take numerous countries breaking away forcing the EU's hand. A Brexit (one of the top 3) was just the right thing to get the ball rolling.
Breaking away from the EU would be a shame. But at the same time numerous of us can't see it happening as the EU will get countries round a table to negotiate a reform. Individual countries having a much louder voice. (if they really want the EU to succeed). A lot of people within my social circle would be happy with an EU that operated much like it once did as a trade union. It just evolved into a monstrosity, destroying Southern Europe in the process.
Out of interest, Remainers... how do you feel about what the EU has done to Southern Europe? Some people go on about a Brexit would cost us job opportunities, make our lives harder, but what about those people living in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy? 40% unemployment in some countries within the 18-25 bracket? They have very little prospects. I accept that the EU isn't solely to blame, but it was a massive contributing factor.
I don't understand these arguments? I voted out and immigration played zero part in it. In fact some of my reasoning is down to how Southern Europe has been treated.
Remain seem to go on about how everyone who voted leave is against immigration and are all racists, etc. Seemingly blissfully unaware of the irony behind their false statements; 'Those who vote to leave seemingly hate to embrace anyone who isn't British'.
How many times do I have to mention that it was Nigel Farage who stated that a 52 48 split should call for a second referendum.
Nice.
Did you know that people from the UK can vote even when they're not in the UK?
Very nice.
Any more abuse to hand out?
I felt that this referendum gave the country a good bit of democracy compared to any general election in the past twenty years.
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