The next Labour leader thread

I know one thing, I will never vote labour again, and their Remain campaign just confirmed what I already know, they have actually lost touch with its grass roots voters, completely almost.

Maybe the Tories will become the new working class party, now I wouldn't bet agaimst that from what senior members are saying.
 
Zethor said:
I agree that Corbyn should not step down but he needs to learn from this, he is not an idealistic MP anymore so when the party chooses a path he needs to spearhead the campaign with same energy he showed when he won Labour's leadership.

As for the Tories, I think it's clear they're responsible for this mess. They took a gamble with Britain's future to retain the majority and they lost.
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No, you are responsible for this mess.
 
Gigabit said:
They swung to the left after Blair and look what happened, they lost. So your solution is to swing further to the left. How does that make any sense?
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Firstly I didn't see that much of a swing to the left after Blair. Yes Brown was more of a lefty but that didn't translate to traditional leftist policy.

Secondly we ended up with a hung parliament that could have gone either way. The Tories managed to take power with the help of the Lib Dems, who proved so useless that they are now little more than a vague memory in the minds of most voters.

Thirdly Labour is not the same party it was under Blair or Brown, and the Tories aren't the same government that originally took power under Cameron (who has now resigned). So there is room for some adjustment.

I think Labour needs to regain its base, and to my mind the only way they can achieve this is to take a solid centre-left position that significantly distinguishes them from the Tories.
 
Evangelion said:
^^ This.

Labour needs a leader who's in touch with the party's roots. If anything they need to swing to the left, not the right.
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IMO we're beyond left/right politics now - even if politicians haven't realised it yet. I can't see a way for Labour to be united now - what their membership in London wants is fundamentally different to what their traditional supporters in the North and the Midlands will vote for. They need an extraordinary leader to heal that rift and from what I've seen, there isn't such a candidate.
 
scorza said:
IMO we're beyond left/right politics now - even if politicians haven't realised it yet.
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I don't agree with that, but I do agree with this:

I can't see a way for Labour to be united now - what their membership in London wants is fundamentally different to what their traditional supporters in the North and the Midlands will vote for. They need an extraordinary leader to heal that rift and from what I've seen, there isn't such a candidate.
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Mark this day on your calendar: we agreed on something at last.

:p
 
scorza said:
IMO we're beyond left/right politics now - even if politicians haven't realised it yet. I can't see a way for Labour to be united now - what their membership in London wants is fundamentally different to what their traditional supporters in the North and the Midlands will vote for. They need an extraordinary leader to heal that rift and from what I've seen, there isn't such a candidate.
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I agree.

The only half baked potential leader isn't even a MP now, Ed Balls.
 
ColdAsIce said:
David Miliband should have been leader after Gordon Brown. I don't understand how his Brother got the vote.
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David Miliband offered exactly nothing but continuity Blair. Blair was badly out of tune with the members and unions and they rejected more of the same.
 
scorza said:
IMO we're beyond left/right politics now - even if politicians haven't realised it yet. I can't see a way for Labour to be united now - what their membership in London wants is fundamentally different to what their traditional supporters in the North and the Midlands will vote for. They need an extraordinary leader to heal that rift and from what I've seen, there isn't such a candidate.
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I think you're right, sadly. The lines of conflict in British politics are changing, and both the Labour party and the Tory party are split across those new lines.
 
At least nobody is claiming Leave won because of non-existent electoral fraud. They're instead just claiming that some Leave voters will live to regret the decision, which is probably true.

I could see some Remain voters regretting the decision had it gone that way too. I fully expected to be one of them.

TBH I can't say I agree with some people's sour grapes. But I suspect the issue isn't over and will be revisited in some form over the next 6 months. Too many people have too many vested interests in staying in for this to be the end of it.
 
I hope Blair doesn't come back I'm sure they won't let him it would be suicide for labour.
 
Gigabit said:
And because of that...the Labour party lost the election.
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I doubt that, actually. Labour lost because the SNP annihilated us in Scotland and the chickens came home to roost for the Lib Dems and allowed the Tories to win a slew of seats. I don't think David would have change any of that. I think we'd have probably got an extra percent or so of the vote, and taken an extra seat or four but I don't think it would have changed the outcome.
 
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