The next Labour leader thread

I have to say even as a Conservative I find the Labour leadership debate far more interesting then the Tory one. It's pretty much a given the conservatives contest will be between May and Boris where as the with with Labour has any number of different outcomes.
 
LeeUK said:
Labour need Blairites in at the top to be electable. It's all very well the Labour Party saying Corbyn has a 60% mandate but that mandate is from Labour supporters and £3 text voters. To win Labour need to be in the centre ground.
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Blairism's had its day, but I don't believe a Blairite candidate could win today. The party is left with the disaffected fallout out from that era. We've just had a credit crunch, years of austerity, and we're about to have another recession. Labour needs some kind of vision of a different country to offer; Blairism isn't that. Corbyn has decent enough, and popular enough, opinions on domestic and economic policies; the problem is that he squanders it on talking to Hamas and arguing against Trident, and stubbornly refuses to play the political game properly. If Labour had a younger, slicker candidate who could front the same left wing ideas I think they'd do okay but, as far as I can tell, we don't. In it's place, we have a handful of people on the right with good ideas but who are unpalatable to the membership (e.g. Liz Kendall) and a bunch of utterly mediocre candidates of the centre (e.g. Burnham and Cooper) who don't seem to have any real vision beyond that offered by Miliband.
 
Labour has the problem that the Corbynism makes them unfit with the middle ground folk who switch allegience when it suits them, and Blairism is tainted by the war/other policies for the left of centre to ever care again (their power base ultimately).

So Labour is indeed finished, they need a new image entirely.
 
StriderX said:
Labour has the problem that the Corbynism makes them unfit with the middle ground folk who switch allegience when it suits them, and Blairism is tainted by the war/other policies for the left of centre to ever care again (their power base ultimately).

So Labour is indeed finished, they need a new image entirely.
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Indeed. If Corbyn had supported leave instead of remain, then they would have gained huge support, and he would have been able to lay the smack down on the Blairites in the party. Massive missed opportunity.
 
StriderX said:
So Labour is indeed finished, they need a new image entirely.
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Finished ? You must be a right winger. Clearly they, like the Tories, are in trouble right now but neither party is finished. Politics cycles and sometimes the left get in and sometimes the right get in. It's been like that for many decades now and there's no reason to think it will change in the short term. As soon as the economy picks up, the right will be kicked out and we will enjoy a term of Labour governance. Then the right wingers will get back in and everything will go pear shaped again, and round and round we go.
 
Judgeneo said:
Indeed. If Corbyn had supported leave instead of remain, then they would have gained huge support, and he would have been able to lay the smack down on the Blairites in the party. Massive missed opportunity.
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Labour voters backed Remain 2:1 and an even higher margin among Corbyn supporting members. The idea that he could have gained support by going against what most Labour voters, and even more Labour members, wanted is utterly bizarre.
 
Sliver said:
Finished ? You must be a right winger. Clearly they, like the Tories, are in trouble right now but neither party is finished. Politics cycles and sometimes the left get in and sometimes the right get in. It's been like that for many decades now and there's no reason to think it will change in the short term. As soon as the economy picks up, the right will be kicked out and we will enjoy a term of Labour governance. Then the right wingers will get back in and everything will go pear shaped again, and round and round we go.
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I'm a "Don't care anymore, lets create chaos for no reason because its more interesting than the crap wriggling around Westminster thinking its representing anything other than themselves" person.

Labour is positively dead in Scotland, and will be replaced next time by UKIP down south, so... wheres their voters coming from then?

People are fed up of hearing soundbites, and Labour is addicted to it.
 
Next labour leader? Seems corbyn ain't going anywhere. The rest of the party on the other hand...
 
corbyn couldn't go down much in my opinion, but somehow he's managed it, what a disaster for the UK. with two party politics you need a strong opposition and corbyn could never deliver that.

can we have majority of labour break away now and form labour 2 and leave corbyn to it.
 
Wow this Cat Smith whos on the BBC right now is quite something. Bi sexual, Scoialist, Feminist, republican and bible basher. Another career politician juding by her wiki profile. Currently under investigation for under declaring her election expenses and backs good ol Jeremy.
 
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