The next Labour leader thread

FoxEye said:
Did you not see the last election with Milliband at the helm?

The unions want Corbyn.
The members want Corbyn.
The MPs want him gone - you know why?

Because they know Corbyn has values that he won't change.

Why is that bad?

The current labour MPs are chameleons. They will change their colours - and their policies - to whatever they think the electorate will vote for.

The current Labour MPs would copy the Tory manifesto word for word if they thought it would get them elected.

The difference is they'd be saying the whole time "we need a Labour government to look after the poor and disadvantaged." And they would mean exactly the opposite.

They are snakes; chameleons. They just want your votes. It sickens me just to look at them.
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You forget whats most important. What do voters want. Not Corbyn. They are shafted.
 
neil473 said:
Milliband sent them well down the road to being a laughing stock, Corbyn just added the hardening compound. It could even be funny, but its not, its depressing. At the moment we absolutely need a strong opposition we have this utter bunch of clowns.
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The current Labour will do exactly the same as this "bunch of clowns". They are both fighting for the same voters, with virtually the same policies. It's a joke.

We're not even a two party system, because both parties are the same.
 
FoxEye said:
Did you not see the last election with Milliband at the helm?

The unions want Corbyn.
The members want Corbyn.
The MPs want him gone - you know why?

Because they know Corbyn has values that he won't change.

Why is that bad?
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Milliband was bad, but at least all his ideas and policies weren't all total and utter junk like Corbyn's (lol trident without nukes lol)

Also rofl, to think that the members still want Corbyn right now is a little naive, after everything that's happened - he was a joke before, he's a joke now - the longer he stays, the louder the laughter.

Also, you're talking about politicians, they're all bloody corrupt and shameless, to cite Jeremy Corbyn as some sort of beacon of hope is misguided beyond words.
 
Mr Jack said:
If Watson runs after the among of fuss he made in the contest for Deputy about "not wanting to be leader, ever" he will have lost all credibility in my eyes.
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I think he feels he has to. He probably has the same thoughts about Eagle as people who watched her during the previous campaigns had. It'd be a pointless challenge nor would it get the issues into the open. Also, Burnham should put up or forever rest in peace in Manchester. Might as well all pile in again and get this sorted.
 
FoxEye said:
I think voters want something genuinely different. Labour really are just Tory by another name these days.
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Isn't that what people really want though, something they think will be reliable, predictable, keep them safe, keep them employed.

Jeremys lot might be popular in Uni's and at protest marches but come Election time it will be a massacre.

I cant see a big swing to the left, especially given that Corbyn suggested no upper limit on migration. Not exactly a vote winner given last weeks result in Labour heartlands.
 
If Corbyn is bad then the PLP will have no issue fielding their own candidate(s) against him and winning.

At the moment they are standing around shouting "hold me back guys I'm gonna thump this guy" and nobody is prepared to throw the first punch. Corbyn has a mandate from the party to lead, and if MPs want to get behind someone else then they should propose who they want that to be. Endlessly undermining the guy is making them look bad to members and supporters.
 
Pete Wishart of the SNP tweeted this evening that they don't believe that Labour can now fulfill their obligations as Her Majesty's Opposition. The SNP will be applying to be the official Oposition tomorrow.

Ladies and gents, that would mean all we need is for the Government to resign and we could have a SNP government in Westminster on a technicality.
 
Caged said:
If Corbyn is bad then the PLP will have no issue fielding their own candidate(s) against him and winning.

At the moment they are standing around shouting "hold me back guys I'm gonna thump this guy" and nobody is prepared to throw the first punch. Corbyn has a mandate from the party to lead, and if MPs want to get behind someone else then they should propose who they want that to be. Endlessly undermining the guy is making them look bad to members and supporters.
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Corbyn will be leader and those members against him are toast at the next general election, deselection .
 
Rincewindle said:
The most amusing thing about this {or scary if you like }

Is that there are about 210 Labour MP's that were campaigning for us to stay..

Strong Labour areas like the North East of England, North midlands etc Voted to leave.

When corbyn was elected he got 60% i believe of Labour members vote.

So... Labour MP's are ignoring the wishes of Labour voters in there heartland areas regarding the Brexit vote.
And. ignoring the wishes of Labour voters regarding the leader..

Makes for interesting times i think.
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Labour hartlands didn't vote for JB, only hippies and soft southern softies voted for him.
 
stewski said:
Corbyn will be leader and those members against him are toast at the next general election, deselection .
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Correct. All Labour MP are set for "deselection" at the next general election if Corbyn is still leader.

neil473 said:
Isn't that what people really want though, something they think will be reliable, predictable, keep them safe, keep them employed.

Jeremys lot might be popular in Uni's and at protest marches but come Election time it will be a massacre.

I cant see a big swing to the left, especially given that Corbyn suggested no upper limit on migration. Not exactly a vote winner given last weeks result in Labour heartlands.
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It hard to know who his target audience is.
 
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Guardian poll of Labour members has 91% of those who voted Corbyn last time saying they will vote for him again. It would seem he will probably win another internal leadership contest so this will be very messy.
 
Jesus! Even one of his few backers in the confidence vote has now resigned (if I'm following this right but tbh I'm getting rather lost trying to keep up) yet still this ***** hasn't taken the hint, what has to happen before Corbyn realises he's taking Labour into political oblivion or is that his agenda all along?

I pray for resolution to this farce, we need a strong and effective opposition, I'm a Conservative FFS yet I'm rooting for Labour to pull something from this mess to remain a degree of credibility!

WTF, just WTF!
 
The rebels have picked their time poorly. They've upset a lot of members by picking a moment of Tory chaos for their coup, and a time when a lot of Labour members are already hurting from the disaster of the referendum result.

Corbyn was never going to last, I think the vast majority agree with that, but the rebels needed to wait until (1) they had a decent candidate who could win over some of his vote and (2) enough of the membership were willing to come with them. They've jumped the gun and it's going to be a complete mess. Hell, it's already a complete mess.
 
This is genius - nice bit of entertainment to fill the void until the Brexit kicks off in the Autumn.

What Corbyn seems to forget is yes I think he will get the backing of the Labour membership if it goes to that. But when the rest of the electorate get a say hes going to realise that he cannot get elected. That will be even worse if he does deselect MP's.
 
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