The next Labour leader thread

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amigafan2003 said:
In the new language of corporate power, when we call a candidate "unelectable", we simply mean that they cannot be bought.

Bernie Sanders.
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Absolutely, a sound bite that the tories & blairites thought that if they said it enough times it would become a reality. Thing is though, if BoJo(wtf :confused:) actually gets in as tory leader I think Corbyn suddenly becomes rather electable.

Caged said:
The entire centre-left of Labour are deluded if they think they are ever getting into government again running on a 'New Labour' ticket. The so-called Labour heartlands that would vote Labour by default are lost because they've been ignored for decades - remember 1997 was as good as 20 years ago (enjoy feeling old), and their lives haven't really been improving. UKIP are quite happy to run with the "poor and it's someone else's fault" narrative in order to pick these votes up.

Labour need to stand for something, if they aren't the party of the working class (by this I mean people who rely on the application of their labour for their income, not limiting a definition to blue-collar workers) then there's no point in them existing since they would become the Tories without the backing of the print media. The PLP need to accept that the majority of the party aren't coming round to their way of thinking and go and form their own party or join a different one. This idea that the Labour party is electable if only that Corbyn wasn't there is daft - whoever leads the party is going to get hammered by the press regardless, so you might as well have a leader that reflects the membership in some way.
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Caged said:
Who are you going to replace him with? He has support of the majority of the party that aren't the MPs, who have spent months planning to get rid of their leader after the referendum regardless of the outcome and are carrying out that plan instead of taking free punches at the current government.

He's been fighting the move to the right in Labour for decades, I have no idea why people thought he would stop now. If getting Labour back into government means it becomes a party that makes "tough on immigration" mugs then it wasn't worth doing because you might as well vote Conservative.
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Good posts :)
 
Radio 4's Today programme featured a report from OCUK-land (aka Stoke on Trent) this morning that I think captures the extent of Labour's problems.

- The three Labour MPs for Stoke don't want Jeremy Corbyn as leader because his politics are different to theirs and they don't think he can win elections.

- The two Labour councillors interviewed from Stoke love Jeremy Corbyn because he's a proper old-skool leftie and that's what they think will bring really positive changes to the people of Stoke.

- The two old boys interviewed outside a shop on a council estate in Stoke, who should have been strong Labour voters do not like Corbyn at all. One of them said something like 'he cares more about Syrian refugees than he does about people like us'.

Interesting to read an article in the Daily Mail as well today almost sticking up for Corbyn, reminding people that it was Blair who really screwed over traditional Labour voters.
 
scorza said:
Radio 4's Today programme featured a report from OCUK-land (aka Stoke on Trent) this morning that I think captures the extent of Labour's problems.

- The three Labour MPs for Stoke don't want Jeremy Corbyn as leader because his politics are different to theirs and they don't think he can win elections.

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One of those MPs is my MP sadly. She is totally out of touch with her electorate and only parachuted into a safe seat.

I have more gripes with her though in that I) she is an informant to US intelligence on political matters, II) she is funded by or received funds from a known Zionist and III) has recently penned a piece linked to the previous point.

Sad fact is enough people believe the repeat repeat repeat by the media about Corbyn. Other than Europe (which he was essentially forced into and then stabbed in the back) he is a consistent kind of guy.

We will see another round of anti Semitism from the media to keep putting nails in him.
 
neil473 said:
Angela Eagles on the Bbc in the early hours during the referendum result.

Seemed completely oblivious to why people voted to leave. I watched this as it happened and was gobsmacked.

It would be no suprise if they voted her in and we watch yet another Labour pantamine unfold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTpgAWP2O2A
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I think she got it spot on. Austerity is a big part of this.
 
Judgeneo said:
A fairly small part I'd wager. None of the leave voters I know were motivated by it.
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They were definitely motivated by the effects of it, whether those effects were clearly linked back to government policy is debatable - the Tories were hardly going to be shouting 'no it's not the EUs fault, it's ours' on the campaign trail.
 
Clearly Corbyn has got to go. I wonder who on earth should take the lead. Probably Andy Burnham. He might have principles as flexible as a rubber band, but he's not a Hard-Left bigot.
 
aardvark said:
seems a bit ridiculous considering the EU level of austerity is higher than ours.
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Does it? It's not as if those impacted by austerity are able to buy a plane ticket and visit those even worse off throughout Europe in order to empathise with their position. If they can't see it first hand then I doubt they even worry about it.
 
Listening to Momentum and several of the more vocal left leaning folks on here, does that mean there isn't really a place for Centre Left politicians in the Labour party?

Corbyn seems to be harking back to a Labour party of yesteryear that hasn't really existed. An old Trotsky revolutionary that hasn't realised his side lost the ideological battle many years ago.
 
RDM said:
Listening to Momentum and several of the more vocal left leaning folks on here, does that mean there isn't really a place for Centre Left politicians in the Labour party?

Corbyn seems to be harking back to a Labour party of yesteryear that hasn't really existed. An old Trotsky revolutionary that hasn't realised his side lost the ideological battle many years ago.
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The people who claim to be centre left are not centre left.

Is that what Corbyn really believes? The politicians of today are not even a shadow of some of the politicians of yesteryear. Parliament is being made up of people 100% solely in it for themselves.
 
RDM said:
Listening to Momentum and several of the more vocal left leaning folks on here, does that mean there isn't really a place for Centre Left politicians in the Labour party?

Corbyn seems to be harking back to a Labour party of yesteryear that hasn't really existed. An old Trotsky revolutionary that hasn't realised his side lost the ideological battle many years ago.
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They aren't really centre left though if you're referring to the 'Blairites', they are more centre right I reckon

I think a Left opposition will do a lot of good for UK politics, even if they stay in opposition. I don't think the tories will regain the popularity they've lost recently & will have to listen what the opposition are saying & work harder in order to win votes.
 
scorza said:
The two old boys interviewed outside a shop on a council estate in Stoke, who should have been strong Labour voters do not like Corbyn at all. One of them said something like 'he cares more about Syrian refugees than he does about people like us'.
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That might change though - Corbyn was already making noises before the ref vote that the immigration issue can no longer be ignored and that Labour needs to adapt it's polices.
 
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RDM said:
Listening to Momentum and several of the more vocal left leaning folks on here, does that mean there isn't really a place for Centre Left politicians in the Labour party?

Corbyn seems to be harking back to a Labour party of yesteryear that hasn't really existed. An old Trotsky revolutionary that hasn't realised his side lost the ideological battle many years ago.
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Give me a name of a Labour MP that you think is centre left? I bet you 100% that neither I or the majority of the current membership will agree they are centre left.
 
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