The next Labour leader thread

RaohNS said:
Neither was Clement Atlee but he is arguably the greatest visionary of the UK in its medium history.
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Clement Atlee wasn't operating in an era of 24/7 news.

Corbyn could have the platform if he wanted it but his team keep him away from it because he just doesn't come across very well. It isn't some media conspiracy.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Dan Hodges on the news last night was saying supporters of Corbyn's team are physically blocking other Labour MP's from going into his office and talking to him in they persuade him to stand down.

I don't know how true that is (Dan Hodges is from the Daily Mail) but IMO it's not to late to save Labour party from extinction but unless one of the heavy hitters in the party stands up and takes charge and sorts this mess out, bans momentum and brings the party back to the centre ASAP Labour as a party will cease to exist as we know it.

On the other hand if Corbyn wants to bring the PLP more inline with Labour 'supporters' he should replace the 170 odd MP's who voted against him and replace them with the Trots, Marxists and other anti semitic bigots who have latched onto the party since he took over. I don't think Corbyn is a bad person and I don't think he's anti semitic but I do think he attracts the wrong crowd.
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The Independent thinks Comrade Jezza is being held hostage by Abbot and McDonnell and is a total wreck by now, and that Eagle's holding off as he may be close to calling it a day. Better than the Daily Mail, but I'm not sure how much of that I trust without a credible source close to the action.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Dan Hodges on the news last night was saying supporters of Corbyn's team are physically blocking other Labour MP's from going into his office and talking to him in they persuade him to stand down.

I don't know how true that is (Dan Hodges is from the Daily Mail) but IMO it's not to late to save Labour party from extinction but unless one of the heavy hitters in the party stands up and takes charge and sorts this mess out, bans momentum and brings the party back to the centre ASAP Labour as a party will cease to exist as we know it.

On the other hand if Corbyn wants to bring the PLP more inline with Labour 'supporters' he should replace the 170 odd MP's who voted against him and replace them with the Trots, Marxists and other anti semitic bigots who have latched onto the party since he took over. I don't think Corbyn is a bad person and I don't think he's anti semitic but I do think he attracts the wrong crowd.
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Thing is a lot of disenfranchised people quite frankly fed up with politicians are signing up to support him. He is the protest vote for those with a disillusionment of politics.
 
Judgeneo said:
New new labour? Don't you mean new old labour?
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No, old Labour never had the membership in the position of power it now finds itself in.

Old labour was ruled by the unions. That's not the case anymore.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Dan Hodges on the news last night was saying supporters of Corbyn's team are physically blocking other Labour MP's from going into his office and talking to him in they persuade him to stand down.
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Andy Burnham put out a tweet saying that Dan Hodges was making it up.
 
ethan said:
Thing is a lot of disenfranchised people quite frankly fed up with politicians are signing up to support him. He is the protest vote for those with a disillusionment of politics.
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Sure. The new affiliate sub model is a big part of that. But if we could just turn protest into policy, that would be great. You know, the sort of stuff that doesn't screw over half the country anyway or run it further into the rocks.
 
amigafan2003 said:
No, old Labour never had the membership in the position of power it now finds itself in.

Old labour was ruled by the unions. That's not the case anymore.
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No? I was under the impression that the unions still have considerable influence? They were the reason that Ed Milliband won the leadership, and the reason that Corbyn became popular/gained attention were they not?
 
Judgeneo said:
No? I was under the impression that the unions still have considerable influence? They were the reason that Ed Milliband won the leadership, and the reason that Corbyn became popular/gained attention were they not?
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It's more balanced now with OMOV, but, yes, the Unions still bankroll the party -- it was their party, a party of organised industrial workers, to begin with.
 
Judgeneo said:
No? I was under the impression that the unions still have considerable influence? They were the reason that Ed Milliband won the leadership, and the reason that Corbyn became popular/gained attention were they not?
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Influence != control.

Ed Milliband was elected leader before one member = one vote was introduced, i.e. when the Unions could block vote. They can't do that now.
 
amigafan2003 said:
No, old Labour never had the membership in the position of power it now finds itself in.

Old labour was ruled by the unions. That's not the case anymore.
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The Unions still wield significant power. The current issues in Labour are rooted in ideology. I think the problem for Labour is that the party never got rid of it's hard-Left element. In Germany, the SDP separated from the hard-Left and developed a center-Left party (the SDP had no choice as the Communist Party was banned in West Germany in 1956), and in France the Socialists parted company with the Communists and similarly developed a center-Left party. That's never happened here in the UK: The hard-Left still infest Labour, much to the party's disadvantage.
 
{T5K}TT said:
That's never happened here in the UK: The hard-Left still infest Labour, much to the party's disadvantage.
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Yes it did. Militant were forced out by Kinnock in the 80s and they formed the SWP.

The trouble is, what people refer to the "hard left" within labour aren't actually hard left at all. It's the centre right currently trying to kick out a moderate left leader.
 
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