10 police officers shot by snipers at BLM protest in Dallas

Is "Do not resist arrest" a workable option? Or too simple and none PC?

Looking at some of these hell holes the US police have to work in, and the state of a lot of the people they are expected to stop and question a shoot first policy has my full support, whether the suspect is white or black.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Is "Do not resist arrest" a workable option? Or too simple and none PC?

Looking at some of these hell holes the US police have to work in, and the state of a lot of the people they are expected to stop and question a shoot first policy has my full support, whether the suspect is white or black.
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Just as well you don't live in one of the hell holes :rolleyes:
 
pooley said:
Just as well you don't live in one of the hell holes :rolleyes:
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Those "Hell Holes" are likley to get a lot worse in the future since the Police will simply not want to patrol them any more.

Somebody else posted an article a few pages back that suggested that crime is already rising sharply in Black neighbourhoods as a result of the Police feeling inhibited.

It would be ironic indeed if the results of #balcklivesmatter protesting over a relatively small number of questionable Police shootings (The vast majority are fully justified) results in the Black/Black murder rate increasing by many thousands per year!
 
stuman said:
In this country that would make sense, but over there I would probably shoot first and ask questions later.

I mean, think of the situation,

You go to arrest somebody for a minor punch up outside a bar,

They guy doesn't want to be arrested,

You try to cuff him but he shrugs you off and pushes you back a foot or two,

At this point you can make a decision,

Pull your gun.

Don't pull your gun.


So, yeah, I would not be a cop in America.
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So in trying to cuff a man he shrugs you off and your next step is to shoot him.

i think you would fit right in over there.:p
 
stuman said:
In this country that would make sense, but over there I would probably shoot first and ask questions later.

I mean, think of the situation,

You go to arrest somebody for a minor punch up outside a bar,

They guy doesn't want to be arrested,

You try to cuff him but he shrugs you off and pushes you back a foot or two,

At this point you can make a decision,

Pull your gun.

Don't pull your gun.




If you decided not to pull your gun congratulations, you just got shot.


Or if you decided to pull your gun, congratulations, you just shot an unarmed guy and started riots that got 11 friends shot.


So, yeah, I would not be a cop in America.
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Or knifed...
 
Whatever the rights and wrongs or what did and did not happen, it must be said that those police must have some serious fear coursing through their veins when they pull over a suspected bank robber, with a serious criminal history and known for carrying weapons. I'm not making excuses for them, just adding a perspective.
 
I wonder if the cops in those situation were just really scared and just really on edge. As a result they just weren't thinking straight.
That cop who just shot that guy in the car seat who was apparently reaching for his wallet seemed really on edge.
 
andi said:
Alton Sterling was Tasered, and it didn't work. It's not infallible, and you need to have a backup. It's better than nothing, but it shouldn't be used for a lethal threat.
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good point ;)Officer 1: “He’s got a gun! Gun!”

Officer 2: “If you ****ing move, I swear to god.”

Officer 1: “He’s going for the gun!”

[At least two shots are heard]

Officer: “****!”

Officer: “Get on the ground!”

[Three shots]

Officer to radio: “[Inaudible] shots fired, shots fired.”

Officer: “****!”

[Officer removes gun from pocket]

five shots though and gun in pocket overeaction a bit then again i not in there shoes
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
It is unfortunate that it has got to this, but as long as the police continue to protect those officers that go around executing people this won't stop.
This is the second video I've seen where police officers have pinned a man down and then shot them dead. They need to sort this out.
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got a link, cannot find it. thanks, is ok I watched it now.

Clear overeaction from the cops.

The problem is america is obsessed with guns. Its a obsession they cannot shake off Evident in the amount of films made with guns, computer games with guns, and high amount of gun ownership over there.
 
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Wish I could see what his right hand is doing. He's seems to have resisted arrest or whatever they're trying to do. Wtf two shots I can understand if he was going for the gun (can't see due to blurring) but to fire again afterwards? :confused:

It's bad I really shouldn't be so desensitised to such videos :(.
 
Mynight said:
Wish I could see what his right hand is doing. He's seems to have resisted arrest or whatever they're trying to do. Wtf two shots I can understand if he was going for the gun (can't see due to blurring) but to fire again afterwards? :confused:

It's bad I really shouldn't be so desensitised to such videos :(.
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Real life is not like the movies.

Gunshot wounds, even ones that eventually prove to be fatal, are rarely immediately incapacitating.

The Police will have continued firing as long as the suspect continued to struggle.

It is not clear from the various videos how the altercation actually started (That is the problem with youtube phone clips. People only start recording after things start to get interesting)

But somebody carrying an unlicensed firearm (#) and resisting arrest is really very likley to wind up getting shot.

I really do not understand why people in that position dont just go quietly.

(Edit to add # The Police wouldn't necessarily have known at the time if the gun was unlicensed, but Sterling would have done and really should have appreciated what a dangerous position this would put him in if he was uncooperative and/or resisted arrest)_
 
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Orionaut said:
Real life is not like the movies.

Gunshot wounds, even ones that eventually prove to be fatal, are rarely immediately incapacitating.

The Police will have continued firing as long as the suspect continued to struggle.

It is not clear from the various videos how the altercation actually started (That is the problem with youtube phone clips. People only start recording after things start to get interesting)

But somebody carrying an unlicensed firearm (#) and resisting arrest is really very likley to wind up getting shot.

I really do not understand why people in that position dont just go quietly.

(Edit to add # The Police wouldn't necessarily have known at the time if the gun was unlicensed, but Sterling would have done and really should have appreciated what a dangerous position this would put him in if he was uncooperative and/or resisted arrest)_
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Unlicensed gun with a past criminal record... he was probably going to wind back up in jail for a long time.
 
metal6501 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-rouge-police-killing-black-man-a7124421.html
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Love how both the cops are so quick to give the victim first aid, oh no they were more interested in watching him die!

The police force in America is in serious danger of loosing all respect from a huge section of the community they can't go on protecting officers that use force particularly lethal force inappropriately. They need clearly defined protocols for the use of firearms and they need to enforce them pinning guys to the ground and shooting them dead is very very rarely going to be 'reasonable force'.

Thank god we live in a country where the police are not routinely armed and in 2013 they discharged weapons all of three times!
 
a1ex2001 said:
Love how both the cops are so quick to give the victim first aid, oh no they were more interested in watching him die!

The police force in America is in serious danger of loosing all respect from a huge section of the community they can't go on protecting officers that use force particularly lethal force inappropriately. They need clearly defined protocols for the use of firearms and they need to enforce them pinning guys to the ground and shooting them dead is very very rarely going to be 'reasonable force'.

Thank god we live in a country where the police are not routinely armed and in 2013 they discharged weapons all of three times!
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There is nothing wrong with arming the police and it should be done over the force on the mainland. The police in NI are armed, but yet we don't hear of them shooting people.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Love how both the cops are so quick to give the victim first aid, oh no they were more interested in watching him die!

The police force in America is in serious danger of loosing all respect from a huge section of the community they can't go on protecting officers that use force particularly lethal force inappropriately. They need clearly defined protocols for the use of firearms and they need to enforce them pinning guys to the ground and shooting them dead is very very rarely going to be 'reasonable force'.

Thank god we live in a country where the police are not routinely armed and in 2013 they discharged weapons all of three times!
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I don't think that's the case. Certain communities will never have respect for the police.
The criminal community being one of them. How often do you see it in this country, some scrote commits a crime, tries to flee from the police and piles in to a wall killing himself. Que his mother on the news saying how he was a lovely lad and would have done anything to help anyone. Then why the **** did he just rob that bookies at gun point?!
We had that one during the protests in London where that bloke had a heart attack and died, the police got the blame. The media only ever showed one clip of an officer shoving him away. What they didn't show were the repeated attempts beforehand of the muppet trying to push through the police lines.
Some people have their own agenda, and very frequently that agenda is anti police for whatever reason.

Sometimes the police screw up though.
 
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