The mps were voted in by their constituents, not their party members. It is them they represent. 9 million is bigger than 250,000
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The mps were voted in by their constituents, not their party members. It is them they represent. 9 million is bigger than 250,000
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Not good for Jezza. Loyalists already blaming Watson for a 'stitch-up'.
What the Labour members want means little if what they want will never translate into votes by the electorate.
For Labour to get elected their policies need to have popular appeal with the electorate. I doubt their current manifesto would appeal to Stalin never mind the British electorate.
Momentum would rather split the party than compromise on their vision for the UK. They only care about their policies not the electorate - mad as a bucket of frogs the lot of them.
Yes i understand that, but the MP's don't seem to be acting on behalf of their constituents, plus i haven't seen much information on it via the usual MSM, plus imo i would think most of the other MP's constituents would like Corbyn's views or some of them.
Is there any data showing what these 9 million voters views are?
Does anybody know any sources or links to any.
Thanks.
It needs to split - we need a centrist/left of centre party whilst the likes of Momentum and their barmy army will become a fringe party for the disaffected.
The NEC are representatives; representatives votes should be known to the people they represent. Eagle has faced some disgusting abuse but so do MPs on many occasions, much worse than Eagle at times, but no-one would seriously suggest MPs vote in secret.
The most accurate recent account for what they want is contained in Labour's 2015 election manifesto surely? That is a world away from the Corbynista/momentum vision for Britain.
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JC's views are irrelevant. He doesn't have the skills and ability to lead the party and build an opposition that can keep the government to accountable.
His views and beliefs are all pointless if he's on his own.
Thanks, that is my point, maybe a lot of them now like what Corbyn says and his views, which like you said is a world away from their 2015 manifesto (Pre Corbyn).
Would you have the skill and or ability to lead a party that has been hostile and belligerent from the offset of your leadership?
Virtually every person I speak to in Liverpool who supports labour, supports Jeremy Corbyn, the demonstration outside of the BBC Radio offices in Liverpool was massive and filled with people from all walks of life and all ages, not just by Momentum etc. The Labour party membership has increased dramatically under Corbyn, he has the support of the trade unions, the only ones fighting him are the PLP.
Yes I agree his beliefs etc do not matter when he's on his own, but he's not on his own. Surely everyone can see by Brexit that people are tired of status quo, Corbyn isn't the status quo and if the NEC votes to keep him from the ballot they'll find themselves doing insurmountable damage to the labour party.
Based on what, 172 MP's throwing their toys out of the pram?
Election results say he didn't do that bad.
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Neither did Ed by the same loose token, and look how that turned out when it came to the one that mattered.
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So we're going to have a proper contest. Cutting it close, though.
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Now Corbyn is going to be on the ballot is it going to get hijacked again?
Unless a more socialist and charismatic Blair appears out of thin air at the last minute, I doubt he'll lose to Angela Eagle. However, it'd be nice to see how the polling data stacks up for long-term members, and whether Corbyn will have a reduced mandate. Then we'll see in a year or so about any split. I'd wager that depends on what May does as well.
Now Corbyn is going to be on the ballot is it going to get hijacked again?
You know I think I might pay my £3 and go vote for Corbyn.
I want to send a message to these self-serving, coup-starting MPs that they must serve. Serve us. Or at least they should.
And if they don't want to, they can **** off and make the wonderful Tory-lite party they've always dreamed of.
There's nothing else more entertaining I can think of for £3
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Called it 12 days ago.
My sources on the NEC couldn't see it going any other way.
Was it hijacked last time?
The number who voted for him was far in excess of those who joined after he got on the ballot paper. In fact, if the eligible vote list was frozen when the leadership contest was announced (i.e. new joiners couldn't vote) then he'd have still one. The new joiners just made his victory more complete.
My sources on the NEC couldn't see it going any other way.
Now Corbyn is going to be on the ballot is it going to get hijacked again?
Was it hijacked last time?
The number who voted for him was far in excess of those who joined after he got on the ballot paper. In fact, if the eligible vote list was frozen when the leadership contest was announced (i.e. new joiners couldn't vote) then he'd have still one. The new joiners just made his victory more complete.
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Common sense wins then.
Good.
Like him or loathe him, it was rather clear what the rules intended. If the intention was to allow the PLP to remove a leader that they are unhappy with, with no input from the rest of the party, then that rule would have been worded completely differently. A simple 'No Confidence' vote, triggering a leadership challenge, would have sufficed.
Time for the PLP to look to more appealing candidates to try and unseat Corbyn in a fair vote, instead of using Angela Eagle as a ritual sacrifice.
Good.
Like him or loathe him, it was rather clear what the rules intended. If the intention was to allow the PLP to remove a leader that they are unhappy with, with no input from the rest of the party, then that rule would have been worded completely differently. A simple 'No Confidence' vote, triggering a leadership challenge, would have sufficed.
Time for the PLP to look to more appealing candidates to try and unseat Corbyn in a fair vote, instead of using Angela Eagle as a ritual sacrifice.
A lot of people paid £3 just to vote for him. He is unelectable.