84 Confirmed dead after another apparent terrorism attack in Nice, France,

delta0 · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:15

Moses said:
'Likely' triggered a red flag? Interdasting... what info do you have that leads you to say that? You know they don't have a comprehensive bad brown person list, right? And what are they going to find when there's extra scrutiny, a man with nothing remarkable on him? (There are some reports of a gun, but if he'd had to go through border checks he could have not bothered, or bought one there). France wouldn't be closed to tourists, with it being fairly easy to create a convincing explanation. Then it's pretty easy to move around without being caught... hop in the back of a HGV wherever and you can get anywhere in continental Europe.

There a lot of flags someone can trigger crossing a border. A single ticket, no address in the country, no return date, passport, criminal record, already flagged by security agencies amongst a few. A border control would have stopped many of the attacks in France. Tourists don't create flags. Immigration control staff are extremely capable at spotting people that aren't tourists.

robfosters · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:16

Boris is certainly getting a baptism of fire.

Where do they get all these weapons from? You can't just pose as a refugee and smuggle an AK into France. At least I hope not.

phil675 · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:17

robfosters said:
Boris is certainly getting a baptism of fire.

Where do they get all these weapons from? You can't just pose as a refugee and smuggle an AK into France. At least I hope not.

Think of all the boats that made it to the other side without our navy picking them up and giving them a lift.

Tosno · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:17

V F said:
Well she did say she is still shaking and ready to cry.

Because her shopping trip has been ruined! How can she decorate her four walls of materialism now!

robfosters · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:17

Moses said:
I'm mocking you suggesting that here, now, as though this is the trigger for the thoughts.

You need to learn to structure your sentences properly. That makes no sense.

Mynight · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:18

robfosters said:
Boris is certainly getting a baptism of fire.

Where do they get all these weapons from? You can't just pose as a refugee and smuggle an AK into France. At least I hope not.

I imagine the guns/whatever come through smuggling routes. I doubt the immigrants actually bring them with them.

Tombstone · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:19

Nitefly said:
My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I saw some 'aftermath' footage - really very unsettling / upsetting. How could anyone do something so evil and senseless!

I guess in their eyes they dont see what they do as evil. Therein lies the problem with many 'beliefs'

Danthus · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:19

Some of the dead are children.

Nitefly · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:20

Edit - not even sure what to make of that...

Hambut_Bulge · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:20

robfosters said:
Where do they get all these weapons from?

I understand such things are easily available in certain districts of Brussels. Add the free movement (ie Schengen). It is horribly simple

delta0 · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:20

Moses said:
Criminal records get flagged at the border? Since when? And the rest is covered by not being a **** and buying a return ticket, having a passport, and booking a hotel. It's not rocket science.

They are flagged during the visa or visa waiver process. There are larger amount of flags that shouldn't be highlighted. The ones mentioned are obvious ones.

Caged · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:21

phil675 what angle are you desperately trying to pursue here? Each time your post doesn't get a bite you're back with something even less relevant.

bingham67 · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:22

So sad RIP just seems these events just keep on coming to France

Seems the attackers have moved away from Paris and targeted another part of France

Said on Sky news that French intelligence saying "That they have been looking at new methods to attack"

Also said the state of emergency was about to be dropped end of July so said that France has to live in this state

beachBOYken · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:22

Feel sick, poor people just out enjoying themselves

titaniumx3 · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:22

That video is horrendous, feel sick inside now.

I don't know what the solution is, but I fear it will be even more grim than this.

Amnesia · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:23

Nitefly said:
My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I saw some 'aftermath' footage - really very unsettling / upsetting. How could anyone do something so evil and senseless!

We see them as evil but don't they see us the same way when one of our bombs misses its target ?
Yes we don't aim for civilians but dead is dead.

I honestly think we should just leave them to their own devices, stop playing world police with the Americans, it certainly isn't appreciated over there.

phil675 · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:23

Caged said:
phil675 what angle are you desperately trying to pursue here? Each time your post doesn't get a bite you're back with something even less relevant.

Isn't it obvious? Laughably lax border controls have contributed to this recent spate of attacks.

Amnesia · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:25

phil675 said:
How many of these people do you think were thoroughly searched?

Removed

Even if they were searched and had no weapons, i'm more worried about those that came with revenge in mind for what we are doing over there.

Caged · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:25

phil675 said:
Isn't it obvious? Laughably lax border controls have contributed to this recent spate of attacks.

The nationality or country of residence of the person who drove the truck isn't known :confused:

. Seems a bit premature to lay this at the feet of a free movement policy within the Schengen area.

Tombstone · 15 Jul 2016 at 00:26

Amnesia said:
I honestly think we should just leave them to their own devices, stop playing world police with the Americans, it certainly isn't appreciated over there.

I'm not even sure that leaving them alone now would stop these sorts of attacks, odd thing though it is to say, its almost like they have got a taste for it now and I'm not sure that it would make much difference even if the "reason" for the attacks was removed now