84 Confirmed dead after another apparent terrorism attack in Nice, France,

twist3d0n3 said:
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nailed it as usual

it really doesn't help when people use the 'not real muslims'/'nothing to do with Islam' line when, in fact, the 'not real muslims' argument is also used by ISIS themselves in order to allow the killing of people the rest of us would consider to be Muslims in the first place
 
dowie said:
nailed it as usual

it really doesn't help when people use the 'not real muslims'/'nothing to do with Islam' line when, in fact, the 'not real muslims' argument is also used by ISIS themselves in order to allow the killing of people the rest of us would consider to be Muslims in the first place
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Interesting how the potential mental illness angle is ignored here but not in Jo Coxs murder. In both cases we'll see.
 
Finally, someone speaking sense. He actually realises there is a fundamental problem within Islam. Something I've been saying on here for years and have had the usual suspects constantly shooting me down as racist and bigoted.
Hopefully this attitude can spread and the events of the last 18 months in France alone cease.
 
It's a bit early for nawaz, given we have no idea behind the motives and we do know the guy was a loner, wasn't religious / drank beer and didn't use the local mosque and has no known links to terrorism not to mention the mental illness angle.

Could be like that German wings pilot for all we know. Hence why nawaz is pretty much ignored by everyone aside from a select few.
 
Nawaz seems to be ignored by some in the Muslim community partly because he's happy to admit there are issues within Islam, is happy to call for reform and happy to challenge conservative views instead of parroting the usual part line that every Islamist terrorist is absolutely nothing to do with Islam.
 
And it seems he's also happy to jump the gun to appease his core support group, non Muslims and as I said hence why he is ignored by many apart from a select few.
 
FrenchTart said:
There's a post that I've quoted above from a UB that confirms that discussion can go on.

The issues we have seen here have primarily been people using this tragedy as a means to "score points" against groups of people that they have problems with. That is horribly crass and completely unacceptable.

It is understandable that speculation will occur after a horrible act such as this. Respect for the dead should not be lost, however.

I don't really want to get into further discussion about it here. Please post in FCD if there is anything you believe is problematic or you wish to get further clarification on.
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Although I understand your point, I think it's entirely relevant to discuss the causes and mindset of people who carry out these acts.

When they start happening over here, which they likely will, it'll be the most important topic.

People's respect for the dead is usually wrapped up in anger and all of this chaos is slowly creeping closer to home.
 
lafemmefatale said:
"Very pleasantly surprised" is how I feel the French intelligence/security services (they're not exactly known for their impeccable standards) were feeling after the football passed without obvious public incident. As I said before, that collective institutional first sigh of relief is as good a time as any.
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They were still gassing people right after the final whistle though. lol
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
Lets be honest, you'd have to be mentally ill to do this. Most of ISIS are mentally ill.
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Precisely, some people who get caught up in evenst can get carried on a wave, but when it comes down to the raping of prisoners captured females as entertainment, and blowing oneself up for a cause, it takes indoctination or a weak mind or a broken mind to begin with.
Isis may be either of the above, and it matter not which they are, it is simply bad that they are allowed to operate, install bases, practice their twisted version of faith.

Whether isis linked or not, it takes a crazy person to drive over hundreds of civilians for any reason. Madness, utter hard to stop madness.

We cannot excuse them just because they are mad, a rabid dog still needs pit down, no matter the fact the illness was not of its own making, this is how we must treat isis, with understanding that they are inherent mad, crazy, mentally ill, and cannot be quantified on any normal spectrum, thus they cannot be negotiated with,mor have discussions with.
They, and their caliphate must be obliterated. Utterly.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Whether isis linked or not, it takes a crazy person to drive over hundreds of civilians for any reason. Madness, utter hard to stop madness.
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Did it take crazy people to firebomb Dresden or to drop atomic bombs on Japan? Or just belief that you were on the right side and it was for the greater good?
 
dowie said:
Did it take crazy people to firebomb Dresden or to drop atomic bombs on Japan? Or just belief that you were on the right side and it was for the greater good?
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Not saying the guy has to be 'crazy' to do something like this, but there is a difference between your examples and this just down to disassociation

It's much easier to push a button and drop a bomb from distance than kill someone up close and personal
 
Freakbro said:
Not saying the guy has to be 'crazy' to do something like this, but there is a difference between your examples and this just down to disassociation

It's much easier to push a button and drop a bomb from distance than kill someone up close and personal
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sure, but the principle is still the same

I mean with the mentally ill argument then most of the SS + other hardcore Nazi elements would have to have been staffed by people who just happen to suffer from mental illness too

it just doesn't stack up, reality is that lots of humans are capable of killing for a cause/ideology they believe in

not saying that this guy wasn't mentally ill just that he doesn't have to have been + the idea that ISIS... all XX,000 of their fighters are is a bit silly
 
Bit of a daft question but why do authorise only manage to uncover and arrest suspects related to these things after it takes place? Can't imagine there was much to go on from the HGV like a list of accomplices on the seat next to him.

In any case, RIP and hope our world wakes up and does something better than change Facebook photos to French flags.
 
Hiijinx said:
Bit of a daft question but why do authorise only manage to uncover and arrest suspects related to these things after it takes place? Can't imagine there was much to go on from the HGV like a list of accomplices on the seat next to him.

In any case, RIP and hope our world wakes up and does something better than change Facebook photos to French flags.
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Well now you know exactly who is involved.

The problem is that prior to the incident the guy was just one of many dodgy people.

Do you go out and arrest everyone on a watchlist and their associates? What are you hoping to tie them to?
 
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