Brexit thread - what happens next

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Roar87 said:
That's not a quote from Theresa May saying we're going for access to the single market regardless of the costs. You seem insistent that we have to get single market access and that we'll have to give up freedom of movement, I think we can just get a trade deal like other countries
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Nobody on this forum has said May was

going for access to the single market regardless of the costs
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You are the first to mention it.

As for

insistent that we have to get single market access
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I think you will find that is the view of the vast majority. The question is what type, EEA, EEA+ or something else. No politician I have heard has said we should just go to WTO rules/regs. If you had listened to May in her pre-election speeches she says she wants access to the Single Market. However, access comes with Freedom of Movement. Hollande is playing tough due to upcoming elections

There is a suspicion that Hollande, trailing in the polls and facing both French Socialist party primary elections this year as well as national elections next year, wants to take the toughest line possible with the British for domestic political purposes. There is a also a growing hope in France that Paris, if it makes the right pitch, might be able to grab financial services business from London.
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A long cherished hope of France is to replace London Paris with Paris. This may happen if financial services become more expensive in any new arrangement. Britain relies too much on the taxes from Financial Services to risk that happening as all politicians know.
 
do_ron_ron said:
Well who would have guessed it, a right wing 'news' sight says the Right are popular.
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It's based on independent polling.

I don't think it's wise to read too much into it. May is enjoying that new PM bounce, it'll fade when she actually has to policy, and Labour are in utter disarray. Interesting that the biggest fall is in UKIP though, Tory voters returnign to the fold after the referendum result?
 
Mr Jack said:
It's based on independent polling.

I don't think it's wise to read too much into it. May is enjoying that new PM bounce, it'll fade when she actually has to policy, and Labour are in utter disarray. Interesting that the biggest fall is in UKIP though, Tory voters returnign to the fold after the referendum result?
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Exactly. Also the question was also 'Who would you vote for if the general election was TOMORROW'. Labour are in the middle of a leadership challenge, of course people aren't going to vote for them. A poll before Brexit had Labour in a slight lead.
 
Boycey0211 said:
Well not rush per se, but I would like to end the uncertainty over whats going to happen.

It just feels like we've decided what were going to do, but not how why or when, and feels pointless at the moment.
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I'm not really sure what difference 6 months is going to make with respect to uncertainty.

I'd rather take our time.
 
For those who thought Brexit would mean an end to immigration. The new PM actually said it is her governments intention to control immigration, note the word 'control'. That is a world away from stop immigration.

The chap who was in charge of the 'leave' campaign was on the Daily Politics Show at lunchtime and when it was put to him that much of what the Leave campaign had said was a lie he simply smiled and said 'a referendum is different to an election, there was a grain of truth in much of what we said'.

You can't believe 17 million people were so gullible or there again can you?
 
Faustus said:
For those who thought Brexit would mean an end to immigration. The new PM actually said it is her governments intention to control immigration, note the word 'control'. That is a world away from stop immigration.

The chap who was in charge of the 'leave' campaign was on the Daily Politics Show at lunchtime and when it was put to him that much of what the Leave campaign had said was a lie he simply smiled and said 'a referendum is different to an election, there was a grain of truth in much of what we said'.

You can't believe 17 million people were so gullible or there again can you?
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So a longer 'Can neither confirm nor deny':cool:.:o How big's the grain, bossman? Lay it out for us geological laymen. 'Oh, it's not for me to say. It's in the government's hands now. Do-dooo.' :p
 
It is always the same. When the economy is booming nobody gives a **** about immigration. It only becomes a problem in a downturn, then the language and stock phrases are centuries old.
 
Faustus said:
For those who thought Brexit would mean an end to immigration. The new PM actually said it is her governments intention to control immigration, note the word 'control'. That is a world away from stop immigration.

The chap who was in charge of the 'leave' campaign was on the Daily Politics Show at lunchtime and when it was put to him that much of what the Leave campaign had said was a lie he simply smiled and said 'a referendum is different to an election, there was a grain of truth in much of what we said'.

You can't believe 17 million people were so gullible or there again can you?
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From History

The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.
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I was a Leave vote and was always going to be before the campaigns even started. My main reason for voting, immigration, as it had been explicitly stated that we could not remain in the EU without free movement ie things stay exactly as they are then the only obvious choice for ANYTHING further being done to control it was to vote out.

Do I think they are going to suddenly stop all immigrants coming in, of course not, i'm not an idiot. But, as I worked at the Jobcentre since I was 20 what I would like to see (and what Cameron attempted to do and failed) is to stop any entitlement to benefits for new immigrants. I would like that immigrants without skills are not able to freely enter the country and immediately claim benefits without ever having to have contributed.

Of course as has been listed many times, only around half are EU immigrants, but i'm not naieve, people rarely first enter Europe through the UK. They make their way into other countries and stay the required amount of time, do what is necessary to get EU residence. And then, they head to the country with the best benefits systems - as has been clearly demonstrated. I don't know if anyone remembers the Polish leaflets on how to claim benefits in the UK?

I have no issue with skilled immigrants coming in, but as it is, staying as we were nothing could or would change. So if at least benefits can be stopped for newly entered immigrants that would put a decent amount coming here simply for that reason.

Schools, NHS and all other Public Services miss so many targets nowadays we simply can't handle the people we have let alone more - and even less who don't contribute and just come here for a free ride. Being out of the EU does mean we can control this ourselves.

Of course all the above relies on the Government breaking a many year trend of actually being competent in what they do, which remains to be seen.
 
delta0 said:
Actually hers was indefinite leave to remain. The most recent one we had at work was a tier 2. He is Brazilian.
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As I said then. No wonder they got rid of it!

How they could possibly go through all the proper paperwork that quickly I don't know. :)

Edit: says on there to do the fast track you have to have the application already in the system?

http://www.workpermit.com/uk/tier-1-visa.htm

It also looks like it's not/was not your standard option for skilled visa. Basically it's designed for millionaire investors, international artists and premier league footballers, rather than your average engineer, doctor or care worker.

Edit2: And with the tier 2 visa a person needs a job offer (the company not being able to find a local to fill the position), and apparently there are only 20,700 a year being given out. So there doesn't appear to be any visas for those with skills to move to the UK without a job (which as an example is what the Canadian FSW fast track system linked to earlier is about.

I actually know a couple of people on Tier 2 visas. The only problem is at least one of them wants to leave his company and work for another, but can't because he would be thrown out of the U.K. Those kind of visas can cause problems in themselves.
 
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