To win10, or not to win10?

BinnsY said:
A much better OS in every possible way imo. I honestly dont understand why anyone wouldn't upgrade.
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I removed Windows 10, had DSOD ranomly for no reason on a clean install referring to RAM issues. ran memtest and no issues at all so removed one stick till the errors stopped and left it out.

had issues using movie maker where it would randomly freeze.

i ended up going back to windows 7, put the stick of ram back in and no issues at all, movie maker was also fine and no more issues.

i had a I7 950, 6GB of ram and a X58 mobo with 2 x 250GB Samsung evo SSDs.

Windows 7 for me just works with no issues what so ever i even did a clear CMOS, removed all OCs and still had issues on 10.

I may try Windows 10 again when i next need a format to see if its improved.

its a shame as i liked windows 10 but the issues it was having made it more hassle than it was worth
 
Gimbal said:
Why and how is it on its way out? Devs will be working with API's for games, and valve have already stated that Vulkan is the way forward... there are still millions of people using 7 - 8 - 8.1 and as a business, it wouldnt make sense to only support a single OS, this is why DX12 for a developer stand point would make no sense.
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We won't be using 10 any time soon at work (not my call) that said I think the last of the ME systems has only just disappeared and we even have quite a few XP systems. They trial rolled out 10 and pretty quickly dropped it - unfortunately I was on holiday when most of it happened so don't know all the details. (EDIT: I suspect the amount of older hardware that wouldn't support it was probably a big factor).
 
Rroff said:
Yes and no - they've put in what are at best "work arounds" that only partly solve the problem - the options for shutting down without applying updates are all well and good but little more than a band aid for the wider potential problem.

I know my usage is a bit atypical - I probably make a fair bit heavier use of my tablets, etc. than average and not many home users have a 19" rack mount chassis under the desk (NAS, UPS, PDU, etc.) and running half a dozen or so systems but still - compared to 7 and even 8 Windows 10 has been little short of a nightmare to work with in comparison.
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I was thinking more the UI. The additional tiles in the Start Menu, and the (all be it far from finished) convergence towards a single consistent right click menu UI.

Go and ask for some fundamental changes to the Windows 7 UI and let us know how that goes :p.
 
Gimbal said:
Why and how is it on its way out?
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Because 7 is the oldest Windows OS still in active support. Its the next one to go, whenever that may be.

Remember Windows 7 is 7 years and 3 generations old. Dropping it won't leave them with a single OS, theres still 8 and 8.1 too (although I imagine that will be 'Vista-ed' and dropped as soon as they can).
 
Skeeter said:
I was thinking more the UI. The additional tiles in the Start Menu, and the (all be it far from finished) convergence towards a single consistent right click menu UI.

Go and ask for some fundamental changes to the Windows 7 UI and let us know how that goes :p.
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Ah yeah the extra tile was a good move - shame they haven't done more stuff of that nature. Still needs some actual group management functionality and the option to hide that **** all apps list that they've randomly decided to make permanently show (I know there are some people who requested it but there are just as many who don't want it so goodness knows why they didn't make it toggleable - then again they could have implemented a system to granularly manage privacy policies from a slider)

Windows 7 was an evolution of the prevailing trend at the time which was based on people's usage - if people had requested alternative systems during its development maybe things would have been different who knows. These days people's usage habits and requirements have changed and are more diverse so it would make sense to implement something a bit more flexible than try and force through one narrow vision of the ideal user.
 
Gimbal said:
Why and how is it on its way out? Devs will be working with API's for games, and valve have already stated that Vulkan is the way forward... there are still millions of people using 7 - 8 - 8.1 and as a business, it wouldnt make sense to only support a single OS, this is why DX12 for a developer stand point would make no sense.
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Win10 offers more for gaming period, no way around that, Win7 is not going to be around forever, lack of DX12 is a valid reason for gamers, Vulkan is all good and fine, but Win10 has it covered both ways unlike 7.

Remember Win7 is next OS inline for EOL, nothing you or I can do about that, why stay on an old OS like 7 which lacks certain games features compared to far longer life span of 10 is beyond me?..Being free as well until tomorrow is also a bonus.
 
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Lets be real here, you're going to have to upgrade to W10 or a future version to get DX12 support, which as a gamer you'll want for those times when Vulkan isn't an option, might as well get the free base OS now and potentially upgrade to the Pro version afterwards rather than wait and have to pay for the base as well.

There are things I don't like about Win10 sure, but then there are things I don't like about every OS, I will either mod, disable, work around, or simply ignore those things, just like I've always done.
 
Elevon said:
Remember Win7 is next OS inline for EOL, nothing you or I can do about that, why stay on an old OS like 7 which lacks certain games features compared to far longer life span of 10 is beyond me?..Being free as well until tomorrow is also a bonus.
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Why would a business stick to Millennium for so long?
 
V F said:
Why would a business stick to Millennium for so long?
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I was talking from a gaming point of view, however anybody that uses WinME, well that says it all(worst OS ever).

I do know lots of places ie colleges still using WinXP, I guess its down to cost and possibly certain software they need to use which I can understand, business environments are always slowest to move on, gamers are always at the forefront in general.
 
Elevon said:
I was talking from a gaming point of view, however anybody that uses WinME, well that says it all(worst OS ever).

I do know lots of places ie colleges still using WinXP, I guess its down to cost and possibly certain software they need to use which I can understand, business environments are always slowest to move on, gamers are always at the forefront in general.
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Yeah but come on... 17 years behind is beyond taking the biscuit. Even XP.
 
Seem like there is nothing really to lose with upgrading to 10... so i may just try it out... has anyone had any issues with upgrading, or would you suggest a clean install?
 
No. They'll be updated if 10 decides it is needed, or anything found from Windows Update after it.
 
That must have been painful. Millennium would spit up the black screen with white centred rectangular band over the smallest thing.
 
Gimbal said:
DX12 is only compatible with win10, Vulkan is cross-platform. http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...-12-does-not-make-a-lot-of-sense-vulkan-does/

My main reason for upgrading to win10 is for the DX12 support, becuase my PC is for games, but as Vulkan is proving to be a better API (performance and compatibility) for me personally, it makes no sense to upgrade. I dont care what my OS looks like, but the fact that there is forced updates, and less personalization over your system as a whole, I think that win7 will be the OS for me.
I am able to get a full win10 64x from work, so the deadline isnt an issue, more of a "is there much point, kind of question" :)

Thanks for your input guys!
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Yep it may well be cross platform but sorry it isn't going to change that DX12 will be default for a lot of developers. For a start not all the games engine support Vulkan, they all support DX12 though.

If you are playing it as purely a gaming machine there is no reason to not upgrade to W10.

Also Win7 is on the chopping board soon and I feel they will phase out Win8 a lot quicker due to it's nature.

Going back to the API side of things, you have to realise that Vulkan won't work for everyone. Some dev's are already heavily invested into DX12 systems. Others cannot use Vuklkan because currently their engine won't support it, for instance Crytek have already stated no Vulkan support as they are looking at DX12 only going forward.

In a few more years it may be different but as of right now W10 is the better option for gaming.

To give an idea we have also rolled it out to 470 people in our offices which use all sorts of software and Edge is the default browser that we use to link to our intranet without issue.

We run over 60 different programs that have not had any compatibility issues other than a few small indie ones initially that we reported to them about and they have since been resolved.
 
Curlyriff said:
Yep it may well be cross platform but sorry it isn't going to change that DX12 will be default for a lot of developers. For a start not all the games engine support Vulkan, they all support DX12 though.

If you are playing it as purely a gaming machine there is no reason to not upgrade to W10.

Also Win7 is on the chopping board soon and I feel they will phase out Win8 a lot quicker due to it's nature.

Going back to the API side of things, you have to realise that Vulkan won't work for everyone. Some dev's are already heavily invested into DX12 systems. Others cannot use Vuklkan because currently their engine won't support it, for instance Crytek have already stated no Vulkan support as they are looking at DX12 only going forward.

In a few more years it may be different but as of right now W10 is the better option for gaming.

To give an idea we have also rolled it out to 470 people in our offices which use all sorts of software and Edge is the default browser that we use to link to our intranet without issue.

We run over 60 different programs that have not had any compatibility issues other than a few small indie ones initially that we reported to them about and they have since been resolved.
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Thanks for your input. I will try W10 out and see how i get on :)
 
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