The next Labour leader thread

[Sliver]

It may have been like that once but not anymore, they are all in the pocket of big business, bankers and globalists, just look at what has happened with public utilities and housing in the last 20 years.

A pox on em all I say.

Of course all politicians court big business but labour court the needs of the poor where as the tory scum just care about the wealthy. Morally speaking only one of them is vote worthy. The one you pick on election day says a lot about what kind of person you are morally.

 

[Cosimo]

If we are going to build a society that works for all, then we need to encompass everyone, not just the wealthy.

God that sounds just like another meaningless political sound bite without any meat.

What does "building this new society" encompass?

Doesn't "encompass" mean just raise tax and borrow to pay for even more handouts?

 

[Sliver]

God that sounds just like another political sound bite without any meat.

What does "building this new society" encompass?

Doesn't "encompass" mean just raise tax and borrow to pay for even more handouts?

Help the poor rather with Welfare rather than the wealthy with tax breaks. It's not rocket science. I expected more from you as I know you're not a fool but your last post was asinine.

 

[Cosimo]

Help the poor rather than the wealthy. It's not rocket science. I expected more from you as I know you're not a fool but your last post was foolish.

Not foolish at all but someone who calls Tories scum must know a lot about foolishness.

You haven't, or cant, or don't want to answer my questions so I'll rephrase. How will you help the so called "poor" and how do you propose to pay for the help?

 

[Sliver]

You haven't, or cant, or don't want to answer my questions so I'll rephrase. How will you help the so called "poor" and how do you propose to pay for the help?

You clearly havn't read my previous post. Let me quote the bit that went above your head in order to answer your question:

Help the poor rather with Welfare rather than the wealthy with tax breaks.

Dwell on the moral ethics of that point and then get back to me.

 

[[TFU] Thegoon84]

Not foolish at all but someone who calls Tories scum must know a lot about foolishness.

You haven't, or cant, or don't want to answer my questions so I'll rephrase. How will you help the so called "poor" and how do you propose to pay for the help?

Its crazy we've become this society that simply shuts down people who want to see our government doing more to help the poor rather than giving pointless tax breaks to "inheritances tax"... What's more funny is the generic shut down reply ..... "yeah but how will we pay for the poor, raise taxes?"

Its just laughable. Especially when big bankers, heads of companies who deal with previous public sector companies get stupidly high pay bonuses.... We get the "you're just a tin foil hat wearing, jelly, uneducated rich hater"....

When people are getting richer while the poor get poorer says everything I need to know.

Honestly **** our society. Its so backward its beyond belief. Peasants on decent money defending the super rich. Hilarious!

 

[Eurofighter]

Why are they so called "poor". There are real poor people you know.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

What are you talking about? Free handouts? What? Labour endorse the Welfare State in order to help the poor. The Tory scum have taken away that safety net from millions of people who need it. This is basic politics 101. Left wing help the poor, right wing punish them in order to give the rich tax breaks. How can you not understand this simple premise?

Where would the New Labour years under Tony Blair sit on your political spectrum?

 

[Cosimo]

You clearly havn't read my previous post. Let me quote the bit that went above your head in order to answer your question:

I read your original post not then edited one and there is no need to start being insulting. I guess this is how we will see the "new" Labour behaving, throwing a few bricks, calling opponents scum, being abusive then heading blinkered towards a great fall. Good luck with that...

 

[Mr Jack]

I read your original post not then edited one and there is no need to start being insulting. I guess this is how we will see the "new" Labour behaving, throwing a few bricks, calling opponents scum, being abusive then heading blinkered towards a great fall. Good luck with that...

It's a kinder, gentler politics, don't you know?

 

[Cosimo]

Why are they so called "poor". There are real poor people you know.

We're all peasants now, time to wave the red flag and start getting huge handouts without working for them. What a new society we'll be building...

Can't help thinking that we've been here before.

 

[drs101]

Of course all politicians court big business but labour court the needs of the poor where as the tory scum just care about the wealthy. Morally speaking only one of them is vote worthy. The one you pick on election day says a lot about what kind of person you are morally.

so what about this then from the bbc? if they really cared about the poor this would not have happened the way it did.

The Labour Party, which had lurched to the left under Michael Foot, bitterly opposed the "right-to-buy" arguing that it would lead to a dangerous depletion in council housing stock.

They also feared it would spell the end of Labour's vision of a "cradle to grave" welfare state, as working class people embraced a more materialistic, Thatcherite way of life.
By the time Tony Blair came to power, in 1997, such rose-tinted notions were a thing of the past.

New Labour was an enthusiastic champion of the right to buy and home ownership in general, seeing it as its mission not to ensure affordable rents for working people but to help them get a foot on the property ladder.

Mr Blair and his chancellor, Gordon Brown, presided over an unprecedented boom in house prices, fuelled by cheap credit and a shortage of affordable rented accommodation.

The "right-to-buy" phenomenon had led, as some on the left had predicted, to a massive depletion in council housing stock - made worse by the refusal of successive governments to allow local authorities to spend the windfall they received from council house sales on building new ones.

The housing bubble was also fuelled by the "buy-to-let" phenomenon, as speculators bought up rundown former local authority housing as a source of income.

Council housing estates were fast becoming the accommodation of last resort for those left behind by society, as families on middle incomes sold up and moved out.

 

[Sliver]

I read your original post not then edited one and there is no need to start being insulting....

Where was I insulting? In your mind is disagreeing with you insulting? If so then yes I was insulting. Other than that I thought I was respectful. Please state the insulting part.

 

[StriderX]

Labour is run by a bunch of champagne socialists and toe-the-line-and-don't-think-out-of-the-box types.

Never again should they be allowed the reins, id rather the poor simply get angry enough to become irritants.

 

[RDM]

Where was I insulting? In your mind is disagreeing with you insulting? If so then yes I was insulting. Other than that I thought I was respectful. Please state the insulting part.

In line with the new code of conduct calling the Tories scum would be a breach the of the rules. Questioning the morality of people that vote Consevative is also somewhat rude. Especially as the last Labour government managed to get us into two fairly morally ambiguous wars.

 

[Mr Jack]

My CLP had our nomination meeting last night. I spoke in favour of Owen Smith* but the constituency ended up nominating Corbyn by 55-43. I was pretty struck by the lack of connection to reality of the people speaking in favour of Corbyn and the rambling feel good nature of the their connections. Corbyn is going to win this election, I'm pretty certain, and I don't see any possible way he can be removed until Labour lose an election under him. I think we're looking at another 15 years of Tory government now.


* - actually, to be honest, I spoke against Corbyn and in favour of the PLP. I don't think anyone who spoke in favour of Smith really spoke passionately in favour of him. This is much more a debate about Corbyn's failure as a leader than it is about Owen's suitability.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

In line with the new code of conduct calling the Tories scum would be a breach the of the rules. Questioning the morality of people that vote Consevative is also somewhat rude. Especially as the last Labour government managed to get us into two fairly morally ambiguous wars.

One of those wars, Iraq, was morally indefensible. A Jackanory about Saddam Hussein having viable and weaponisable chemical and biological agents was used to justify illegal regime change.

On the subject of insulting Tories breaching the new forums guidelines, can we add the routine labelling of Leave voters as "thick" and UKIP supporters of being called "racists" added to the list of unacceptable behaviours please?

 

[datalol-jack]

My CLP had our nomination meeting last night. I spoke in favour of Owen Smith* but the constituency ended up nominating Corbyn by 55-43. I was pretty struck by the lack of connection to reality of the people speaking in favour of Corbyn and the rambling feel good nature of the their connections. Corbyn is going to win this election, I'm pretty certain, and I don't see any possible way he can be removed until Labour lose an election under him. I think we're looking at another 15 years of Tory government now.


* - actually, to be honest, I spoke against Corbyn and in favour of the PLP. I don't think anyone who spoke in favour of Smith really spoke passionately in favour of him. This is much more a debate about Corbyn's failure as a leader than it is about Owen's suitability.

How many have been involved in politics previously and what level? It's hard to communicate to someone what defeat means and its risks if they hadn't swallowed enough of it themselves, particularly in safe seats. I likewise think that we're looking at least five more years for the Labour membership to come around to the idea that perhaps, if they wish to keep the PLP viable, pinning all their policy hopes and dreams on one man, as opposed to a functioning shadow cabinet, is not the best way to their aims.

 

[Mr Badger]

On the subject of insulting Tories breaching the new forums guidelines, can we add the routine labelling of Leave voters as "thick" and UKIP supporters of being called "racists" added to the list of unacceptable behaviours please?

Why should factually correct statements be considered to be unacceptable behaviour?

 

[Mr Jack]

How many have been involved in politics previously and what level?

Most of them were older people. Many of them talked about being involved in the Labour party for decades; one was the chairman of the PLC.

One of our councillors spoke for Owen Smith. Jon (our MP) didn't speak but I think it's pretty clear he favours Smith but doesn't want to call for either candidate.