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Faustus said:
What would have happened if for example the person who had reserved the seat was a disabled person, perhaps suffering from a heart condition. You wouldn't have known this simply from looking at them would you? Your GF is pregnant, the last time I checked this wasn't/isn't a disability.

At the end of the day you were in the wrong. Throughout this thread you exhibit this sense of being hard done to, having a sense of entitlement, wanting a new world order. I think you still have a lot of growing up to do, though I doubt you will thank me for pointing this out.
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They would no doubt have shown me a medical cert. In which case I've no reason to argue because they likely wouldn't be rude or obnoxious.

Again, your are showing how ungentlemanly you are. Is a pregnant person fully able to do normal tasks? Think why a risk assessment is carried out on pregnant staff...

I wasn't in the wrong, my concern is my heavily pregnant partner. You are just obsessed with a cheap point scoring exercise and using "bylaws" to back up the pious points you make - all the while neglecting a person who we know will be put under more stress, fatigue, plus a host of other ill recommended factors just because "you didn't reserve a seat"...

You seriously don't realise how selfish you and other posters sound. Including burnsy who has a copper you would expect to seriously know better and be more considerate.

I would try and point out your selfishness and use of morally bankrupt attitude because "you didn't book a seat".

How noble of you.

At least I look after the wellbeing of my nearest and dearest. And as it so happens would ensure any heavily pregnant woman be afforded the same treatment, again unlike you and the cod to "stand and suck it up, its not a disability".
 
FoxEye said:
His pregnant gf standing would undoubtedly be the wrong outcome, in terms of both health and safety and common decency.

So you can say he did the wrong thing, but keeping his gf seated was the right outcome, in my mind.

Frankly you can't assume that someone else would have given up their seats because everybody these days only thinks of themselves. Chances are she'd have had to stand.

As the replies in this thread ably demonstrate, as a society now we are much more concerned with "being in the right", "obeying the letter of the law", etc, than we are about such a trivial thing as a pregnant woman standing on a train.

Young bloke getting his reserved seat = more important than a pregnant woman having to stand.
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I have frequently given my own seat for pregnant, elderly or disabled people and I would have done so myself in this situation. Someone would have offered their seat. But assuming a right to a seat that someone else has reserved only perpetuates a "me first" selfish society and was not the morally right thing to do.

Also as I highlighted earlier he should have sought out a priority seat which are specifically marked for people to give up in this circumstance. This wasn't a simple choice between "protecting" his girlfriend and not protecting her. It was a choice between taking someone elses seat, politely asking someone else to volunteer, or seeking out the seat specifically marked for this situation.
 
Hades said:
I have frequently given my own seat for pregnant, elderly or disabled people and I would have done so myself in this situation. Someone would have offered their seat. But assuming a right to a seat that someone else has reserved only perpetuates a "me first" selfish society and was not the morally right thing to do.

Also as I highlighted earlier he should have sought out a priority seat which are specifically marked for people to give up in this circumstance. This wasn't a simple choice between "protecting" his girlfriend and not protecting her. It was a choice between taking someone elses seat, politely asking someone else to volunteer, or seeking out the seat specifically marked for this situation.
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No it was me politely asking and them making a comment of out that did it.

I've posted a link already showing how train commuters can be very selfish. The woman in the story incidentally, also 8months pregnant.

Either way, I feel I was in the right and would have felt very comfortable dealing with any ticket inspector or unscrupulous transport officer that may have tried to "deal with me". We are talking about a woman 8months pregnant.

Like I said earlier, there are some sorry excuses for gentlemen on these boards.
 
We can go around in circles on this one. We will never agree, however much shaming tactics you attempt by insinuating someone who disagrees with you is a lesser man. I'll not be making any further comment on it as it simply takes this thread further off topic.
 
RaohNS said:
They would no doubt have shown me a medical cert. In which case I've no reason to argue because they likely wouldn't be rude or obnoxious.

Again, your are showing how ungentlemanly you are. Is a pregnant person fully able to do normal tasks? Think why a risk assessment is carried out on pregnant staff...

I wasn't in the wrong, my concern is my heavily pregnant partner. You are just obsessed with a cheap point scoring exercise and using "bylaws" to back up the pious points you make - all the while neglecting a person who we know will be put under more stress, fatigue, plus a host of other ill recommended factors just because "you didn't reserve a seat"...

You seriously don't realise how selfish you and other posters sound. Including burnsy who has a copper you would expect to seriously know better and be more considerate.

I would try and point out your selfishness and use of morally bankrupt attitude because "you didn't book a seat".

How noble of you.

At least I look after the wellbeing of my nearest and dearest. And as it so happens would ensure any heavily pregnant woman be afforded the same treatment, again unlike you and the cod to "stand and suck it up, its not a disability".
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Why would a disabled person being carrying a certificate around with them? I can just imagine if someone said 'oh I have a bad heart so I must have this seat' you would then be muttering something about wanting the sympathy vote and using their disability to get their own way under your breath etc.

You don't know their situation but you decided that your GF situation trumped their situation end of conversation. It's the fact that you can't see that the way you go about doing things is just plain wrong is what concerns people - can you really not see that? Your attitude is 'I am right and everyone else is wrong'. Look at the other person's point of view for a change - they will have one.
 
Smith from the videos I've seen has a tendency to appear all over the place and quite off the mark. His voting record is one thing but his interview capability is... Well only a little better than Angela Eagle
 
I'll look into it. Though after #traingate, I feel we're just being treated to a spectacle of forced and unforced errors in this campaign. Need something more than letters on Twitter. It is however plausible that people who campaigned against the Labour party or stood against its candidates in past, and managed to sneak in due to weak local party vetting, may face expulsion as per the rules.
 
Well there are 600,000 ballots going out or at least there should be.

What we know at this early stage is that some users are being suspended by Labour for conflicts of interest. From what I've seen, they happen to be Corbyn supporters.

Media is deathly silent on this. Imagine if Smith voters were coming forward? PBC would be into frenzy. #LabourPurgeGate and all
 
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