Lucia Light Simulator Mind Machines....A scam..

I was unable to obtain a 3 day trial of the device. I will ask again for one. Last time I checked they hadn't arranged appropriate insurance before processing with allowing anyone to try it out.

I was able to try the device out for one afternoon in Manchester and found the following:

The pre-set programs we used that day very quickly (within minutes) altered my state of awareness. much much faster than any meditation, even if you're well practised in those techniques.

What I was seeing through closed eyes was a kaleidoscope type image that I could pick a fragment of the image and dive into. The images were fast moving, so for some sessions I felt best to allow things to happen and not to control anything.

The link to the device is below, the people involved in the product have made changes to the website to make the information easier to digest.

http://pandorastar.co.uk/

Hope to obtain a device this year and spend plenty of time seeing how useful it could be as there are over 60 programmed sessions in the device for different purposes.

It's one of those product for a small market of very determined people (with cash) who want to explore consciousness deeper and wider.

On first glance it seems like a "lite" version of a much more expensive device (Lucia) developed in Europe, at least in its purpose.


Good grief if you are advertising for them at least find a thread that doesn't date back to 2013! (your only posts are in this thread!)
 
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Saw one of these at a Godskitchen event back in 2003. They sat you down with this helmet. It had embedded headphones playing slow(ish) trance music and goggles with white LEDs which would strobe in a pattern. The idea was you closed your eyes but you still see the flashes of light through the skin of your eyelids. I thought it was cool, but none of this hypnosis / meditation / higher state or suchlike. Was £4 a go and lasted a few minutes.
 
Kids today with their mind machines. LSD achieves far more and is one of the safest drugs there is. Magic mushrooms as a substitute if you can't get it.

Honestly, I don't know how old OP is, but I honestly despair of younger generations, sometimes.
 
Op account hijacked....

Kids today with their mind machines. LSD achieves far more and is one of the safest drugs there is. Magic mushrooms as a substitute if you can't get it.

Honestly, I don't know how old OP is, but I honestly despair of younger generations, sometimes.

Get a grip both of you. Efour troll elsewhere. Harmony advocating lsd use in one breath then in the next despairing of young folk these days lol. Well played sir!

Thread resurrection nothing to do with me.
 
Kids today with their mind machines. LSD achieves far more and is one of the safest drugs there is. Magic mushrooms as a substitute if you can't get it.

Honestly, I don't know how old OP is, but I honestly despair of younger generations, sometimes.

Because old generations have never experimented with this kind of thing amirite?

//Curious minds lead to some of humanity's best inventions, take from that what you want.
 


Good grief if you are advertising for them at least find a thread that doesn't date back to 2013! (your only posts are in this thread!)

If I was advertising for them I'm doing a poor job posting a year later :)

As has been posted already it does cost a lot, just sharing information on a curiosity that is relevant to this thread.

Is that the biggest gripe here folks? I could start a new thread on it. It wont stop suspicion of advertising though.
 
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LSD and mushrooms get you to a different place very quickly. Like anything else, it would require plenty of use to gain some control, else its happy trip with what ever comes into your head.

The tech method needs practise as well, the difference is that you can be fully lucid at all times.

It did get me thinking:
https://theweek.com/articles/462825/3d-print-drugs
 
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LSD and mushrooms get you to a different place very quickly. Like anything else, it would require plenty of use to gain some control, else its happy trip with what ever comes into your head.

Well that's an argument for proper regulation and legalization of LSD to ensure proper dosing, but for your information LSD scores extremely low on all indicators for physical harm. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say in the last parts. LSD and mushrooms don't require "plenty of use" (I think you mean practice).

The tech method needs practise as well, the difference is that you can be fully lucid at all times.

LSD doesn't require "practice". It's a chemical reaction, it just happens. And you don't get better or worse at it. Can you define "fully lucid" as I think you don't understand how LSD and mushrooms work? Or else if you do, then you're supporting my point that these machines are just nonsense fakes.
 
never found a program that guaranteed an OBE.

That's because the external stimuli is just BS, there is no external mechanism. If you tell someone these flashing lights will give you an OBE, then it's the person's brain inducing the state, not the lights.
 
Well that's an argument for proper regulation and legalization of LSD to ensure proper dosing, but for your information LSD scores extremely low on all indicators for physical harm. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say in the last parts. LSD and mushrooms don't require "plenty of use" (I think you mean practice).



LSD doesn't require "practice". It's a chemical reaction, it just happens. And you don't get better or worse at it. Can you define "fully lucid" as I think you don't understand how LSD and mushrooms work? Or else if you do, then you're supporting my point that these machines are just nonsense fakes.

I think he means controling the trip as in realsing whats real whats not and making sure you dont have a bad one.

Sone people have bad trips but ive never had one because even if things are bad i know its not real and its more like a theme park ride or horror film.

Jist enjoy the show.

Where as others get confused and lost.


Dont know if thats s a conteol thing or jist how some people are wired
 
Well that's an argument for proper regulation and legalization of LSD to ensure proper dosing, but for your information LSD scores extremely low on all indicators for physical harm. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say in the last parts. LSD and mushrooms don't require "plenty of use" (I think you mean practice).

Not saying regulate anything. Have no view on LSD that would matter.

Yes, practice and exposure for both mind and the body.
 
I have seen things no machine on this planet or in the universe for that matter could provide.
Mind you thinking about that, if I have experienced it then it must have been thought about somewhere else in the universe. :eek:

Little bits of paper and a few mushrooms can work wonders for the mind. ;)

Am too old now last time I tried, I thought I was going to die from back ache, no lie that was about 11 years ago. :(
 
That's because the external stimuli is just BS, there is no external mechanism. If you tell someone these flashing lights will give you an OBE, then it's the person's brain inducing the state, not the lights.

Even the word OBE is a misnomer, as there is unlikely to be any such thing. It can be viewed as a change in awareness.
 
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