US: Westworld

Meh - I just cannot get on with these sorts of shows. I will give it two more episodes before I give up. Awesome premises and a clunky 'americanised' execution. Why have such objectively terrible / selfish characters like the angry storyline writer. Too obvious too predictable - nobody like that exists in real life.

I will insta switch off if this becomes anything close to being something as boring as a secret test for military technology. Boring boring boring.

My plot prediction is as follows:

Man going round looking for the maze is actually a rogue droid. At the very least, he's been visiting for 30 years and it's been 30 years since the last critical malfunction. I think he's some sort of artefact the system needs to work, much like how the matrix doesn't work without a choice. I'm thinking a Mr. Smith type story arc with this character. He's self aware and wants out. Or he doesn't know he's a droid but doesn't understand why he's trapped in the world. Something like that.

Separately I think Hopkins is planning on playing god in some way - some sort of social experiment to see if he can make the droids survive and be self aware of he gives them a purpose... as he feels guilty for their existence. Hence the lingering cross at the end of the last episode.
 
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Nitefly said:
Meh - I just cannot get on with these sorts of shows. I will give it two more episodes before I give up. Awesome premises and a clunky 'americanised' execution. Why have such objectively terrible / selfish characters like the angry storyline writer. Too obvious too predictable - nobody like that exists in real life.

I will insta switch off if this becomes anything close to being something as boring as a secret test for military technology. Boring boring boring.

My plot prediction is as follows:

Man going round looking for the maze is actually a rogue droid. At the very least, he's been visiting for 30 years and it's been 30 years since the last critical malfunction. I think he's some sort of artefact the system needs to work, much like how the matrix doesn't work without a choice. I'm thinking a Mr. Smith type story arc with this character. He's self aware and wants out. Or he doesn't know he's a droid but doesn't understand why he's trapped in the world. Something like that.

Separately I think Hopkins is planning on playing god in some way - some sort of social experiment to see if he can make the droids survive and be self aware of he gives them a purpose... as he feels guilty for their existence. Hence the lingering cross at the end of the last episode.
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I think the writer is supposed to represent Hollywood and it's typical churning out of shallow repetitive, low-brow rubbish. I am sure a-holes like that do exists there in great numbers.

I think your theory is good. Ed Harris' character is like Satan/Mr Smith from the Matrix. He always wears black representing evil. He might be a droid that has been given free will and fake memories so he can somehow disrupt the system. Maybe Hopkins' God character made him to see if he could break free of the system. I might be wrong, but didn't one of the characters say something like "God needs the Devil" or something?
 
I think those sort of characters are really abundant in US to shows... self centred people that act in a totally ridiculous way yet are somehow in positions of power. Bwuh. Anywho, yes, I do recall somethig along those lines as well so perhaps we are close!

Our above comments in spoiler tags are just speculation based on the first 2 episodes if anyone cares.
 
Nitefly said:
I think those sort of characters are really abundant in US to shows... self centred people that act in a totally ridiculous way yet are somehow in positions of power. Bwuh. Anywho, yes, I do recall somethig along those lines as well so perhaps we are close!

Our above comments in spoiler tags are just speculation based on the first 2 episodes if anyone cares.
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Oh one other thing I remembered was when Hopkins is talking to the old cowboy drinking whiskey when we first meet him, he says that droid is the 2nd host ever. So potentially Ed was the first host and he has been updating him continuously. I believe the girl in the blue dress is mentioned as being one of the first, so it can't be her.
 
About Ed Harris character;

I'm sure they talked about him "this guest is causing all kinds of grief should we pull him" and the reply was "he's a guest, he can do what he wants" (obviously paraphrasing). I've only watched the episode once so can't remember it exactly.
 
Really enjoying this so far. I wonder what the corporation's bigger goals are - perhaps the Westworld is a prelude and testing ground to introducing the hosts in to the 'real' world?

Whilst the series may well be misogynistic, I think that it reflects an accurate portrayal of what people might well do if such a place existed. It was laughable that in Star Trek, the holodeck was only really used for "wholesome" pursuits when realistically we all know it would be used to get their space rocks off and it would need to be wiped down after each use.

I expect whilst they've shown that aspect of the park and got it out of the way now, they'll be able to move on.
 
ShortWarning said:
About Ed Harris character;

I'm sure they talked about him "this guest is causing all kinds of grief should we pull him" and the reply was "he's a guest, he can do what he wants" (obviously paraphrasing). I've only watched the episode once so can't remember it exactly.
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At this point it's probably unwise to take anything said or done at face value. I really wouldn't be surprised if he or someone else turn out to think they are a guest/staff but are actually a host.
 
NexusK said:
At this point it's probably unwise to take anything said or done at face value. I really wouldn't be surprised if he or someone else turn out to think they are a guest/staff but are actually a host.
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Yup, I'm sure a lot of people are in the dark about certain things,
like that one company guy having a private conversation with the blue dress girl which he then told her to erase. Though I did wonder why he bothered to ask how many encounters she'd had and if she talked to anyone else besides him if the conversations can just be immediately erased... :P
 
Just caught up with episode 3 and it's really beginning to take shape and once again I'm wishing the days away to see the next episode.

Totally hooked on this. The acting from all characters has been excellent so far.
 
I'm not sure I enjoyed ep3 as much. It's a great story and I'm looking forward to see what happens, but at the same time we spend a lot of time watching AI/NPC's run through a story that it really doesn't matter if they die...

The two folks out looking for the run away host, a little more interesting though.
 
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Ed Harris is not a host, because bullets can't hurt him.
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On the face of it, yes. However did you notice at the end of episode three when she comes out of the barn
Dolores is shot in the stomach by the guy who comes round the porch, and for a moment she's bleeding. The scene cuts and then she isn't.
 
Whilst I'm semi-enjoying this, it really needs to pick up the pace a little. I'm all for setting up a story etc. but this is going to get tedious really quick.
 
Hambut_Bulge said:
Dolores is shot in the stomach by the guy who comes round the porch, and for a moment she's bleeding. The scene cuts and then she isn't.
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My take on this was she was just having a déjà vu. Remembering the an old stories that have been wiped

Punt said:
Whilst I'm semi-enjoying this, it really needs to pick up the pace a little. I'm all for setting up a story etc. but this is going to get tedious really quick.
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What? Its only been 3 episodes in.
 
smokedog said:
My take on this was she was just having a déjà vu. Remembering the an old stories that have been wiped



What? Its only been 3 episodes in.
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It was Either that or a Glitch

i have an idea about this, The guy we have seen walking about with the map printed into the Scalp is Mr Fords friend/business partner that supposedly died, instead he was chucked into the world with no idea on how to get out and has been looking for the last 30 years.
 
Mynight said:
Maybe bullets not hurting is part of a malfunction?
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If he has been designed to become sentient then he could easily be made not to be affected by the bullets. I don't quite understand how the bullets work though, since in episode 3
that guest is shot and falls over and has a big welt on his chest.
So how do the bullets cause so much damage to the hosts? They made their skin less tough? And in the first episode the bullets actually penetrated Ed's vest, so if they are strong enough to do that they should be strong enough to penetrate flesh. I actually thought he was wearing some kind of special vest with built in "poppers" or something to simulate bullet impacts, but then we find out the guns actually do fire projectiles.

And if the bullets are basically like pellets, how do they do things like hit the rocks/wood and make a big noise like real bullets? And even if the hosts are programmed not to aim for the face, mistakes can happen and a guest can lose an eye or get a bad facial injury.

Another issue is how do the guests tell who is a host and who is a guest? What if they see a guest shooting hosts and try to be the hero and just stab the person thinking they are being the hero in a story?

One more thing in episode 3
that security guy and the researcher went searching for that stray host all day and they don't have a vehicle or helicopter to get it over with quickly?
 
Hambut_Bulge said:
On the face of it, yes. However did you notice at the end of episode three when she comes out of the barn
Dolores is shot in the stomach by the guy who comes round the porch, and for a moment she's bleeding. The scene cuts and then she isn't.
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I think she is looping it and learning each time.
 
May I remind all of us that we are watching a show about theme park with AI characters, "how the bullets tech works in real early 21st century world" should be the least of our suspend-belief problems. :D

As for the "fault retrievals" - obviously these are "black ops" missions as to not break immersion with modern tech flying in the background.

In terms of Man In Black, I like the reddit theory that what we are watching is non linear. Just like days and weeks of the same story mix up and almost identical outcomes surface as deja vu-s in Dolores' head, the narrator of our point of view in that world is confused as well. The Man In Black is William in 30 years. Dolores that gallops away from her farm after breaking the gun privileges due to MIB flashback is not within the same Groundhog Day scenario when she stumbles upon his camp at night at the end of the episode. Some even say Teddy may be our only reference point - the times when Teddy was part of her scenario, protecting and fighting for her and the times when he was pulled away to a different story line "throwing half of the existing scenarios into disarray" as the management said. We don't notice these switches because all the hosts look the same and don't provide us with reference point between the scenes. We just get settle hints - like the fact that present day Maeve flashes back to previous scenario with native Americans pillaging her farm, strangely similar to the one that rude engineer was preparing for the management and Ford stopped. Bernard's voice in Dolores' head every time she wakes up, as if that "old" engineering team was the one that introduced "the bug" and was by now long, long gone and eventually replaced by the young team. Ford's belltower/labyrinth scenario prepared by him personally on foot, without managements go ahead or knowledge became buried within the changes in the scenarios and is only present among original cast programming as triggers (child in mexican town breaks character and changes her voiceover after all necessary steps have been fulfilled etc).
 
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