PS4 Pro vs Xbox One S

[melmac]

Not heard about it, it's called testing it on my Tv against each other. The reviews are saying its quiet good when you consider the price against a standalone but in reality there is a difference.

So tell me the difference and what are you comparing it to?

 

[GHazy]

So tell me the difference and what are you comparing it to?

Erm am I writing in a different language? I have the UB900, and tested a friends Xbox one s. The image of the UB900 is more define as the xbox hsa a softer image kinda like oblivion film (Blu ray vs UHD), the machine is quicker, it supports far more audio formats as shown by another poster on here which is key for surround sound/AV receivers. Then there is the High-Precision Chroma Processor on the UB900 which upscales all half chroma resolution (4:2:0) to (4:4:4), this gave more realistic colours to the image.

I have not said it's rubbish, its a good entry level player but it is not as good as a standalone.

 

[melmac]

Erm am I writing in a different language? I have the UB900, and tested a friends Xbox one s. The image of the UB900 is more define as the xbox hsa a softer image kinda like oblivion film (Blu ray vs UHD), the machine is quicker, it supports far more audio formats as shown by another poster on here which is key for surround sound/AV receivers. Then there is the High-Precision Chroma Processor on the UB900 which upscales all half chroma resolution (4:2:0) to (4:4:4), this gave more realistic colours to the image.

I have not said it's rubbish, its a good entry level player but it is not as good as a standalone.

Your exact words were that it was an extremely poor UHD player. Extremely poor = rubbish in my mind.

I haven't one, or haven't seen one, I am just reading reviews but I have also read user opinions on different forums. The biggest beefs that people have with the S as a UHD player is the bitstreaming of audio, and because it can't bitstream there is no support for Dolby Atmos or DTS X.

The image quality between the s and the other UHD players seems to be very similar. And I would say in a blind test most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

People do mention the speed, while it's not the fastest it's not slow.

And you do know that Microsoft have said that in their next major update that they are bringing bitstreaming to all their devices. And numerous upgrades to their UHD player.

 

[FrankJH]

Surely if you are a home cinema enthusiast you're not going to pick a player that doesn't have Dolby Atmos and the like?

not all UHD disks have Dolby Atmos so its not a big loss at the moment , and not everyone has the speakers to make the most out of Atmos either even if they have the amp/receiver

Plus most users of console's and TV's today stream content and do not use physical media, this is based on current stats. Sony didn't add the UHD to keep price down and their own model currently is to stream media

Ask 100 random people to try and stream 4k content and they will struggle because the infrastructure isnt wide spread anywhere (if they dont look at you blankly and go - huh, stop talking gobbligook)

Unless some amazing new format to develop games becomes available we have now entered into a regular refresh cycle. It's not a bad thing, phones cost like £600, a console £350ish yet people are moaning at the cost lol
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Can a man on the street pay £10/month for a console (over 2 years) ......like they can for a phone that costs 2-3 times the price.

This is why people moan at the cost when the companies involved start talking about much more frequent hardware updates

The home cinema community wouldn't buy a games console to play their media, they would get the best media device which could do it, not the cheapest. Sadly Xbox One S falls under budget UHD player but not the best compared to a dedicated UHD player.

The fact that you quoted whathifi proves you arent part of the home cinema community, its considered not much higher than the Sun in comparison to broadsheet journalism

Actually its already proven that they do with the PS3

There is very little difference between the current budget dedicated players and the One S unless you have a Atmos amp & speakers and currently thats relatively few so actually the One S is THE sysemt to go for until UHD / 4K / etc etc settles down a little and all the tech firms decide on a more common HDR / HFR etc etc

 

[GHazy]

Melmac you seem to have a little issue here with what I am saying. A ford fiesta is extremely poor when compared to a £100k Merc, but it doesn't mean it's bad. Simply its not as good as a standalone player.

If you are not after the best of the best ofc you'd buy xbox one s for a UHD player it's a no brainier but it is not and i repeat not the same as a UB900.

As for streaming, no the infrastructure is not there yet hence why physical media is the best currently.

 

[FrankJH]

As far as I can see the 4k bluray being a good value in xb1s, I'd have a long think on whether or not you should let this sway your decision over. I bought ps3 for bluray back in the day and have only ever watched one title on it because of the stupid prices for bd roms opposed to say streaming - sure the quality is bit nicer but are going to be using it enough (I'd say at least title a month) to justify? For the price of few 4k bkuray discs you could get annual unlimited cinema ticket. and it's not like 4k streams are bad quality. Anyone who invests enough money in their own home cinema for it to be worth it, probably can afford or already has better player.
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I dont disagree with this at all, but there are a few things to consider;

are you the type of person that only reads /listens / watches (choose your variety of media as relevant) once or twice in quick succession or do you like to watch / listen etc several times over multiple months /years?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with either, but different people fall into different halfs of the equation. Some are perfectly happy to go and watch a film once and then never see it again and so a yearly pass is perfect. If you are like me however, I have 600+ BR's and counting and watch those films countless times, and probably most of those films at least twice a year, so a yearly pass wont work past the "current " films on release.

Thats the same issue with streaming, in that watching a current series is great, but then Sky or whoever "lose" the current licence and it disappears from the options (just when you are 1/2 way through a series hahaha)

 

[GHazy]

Can a man on the street pay £10/month for a console (over 2 years) ......like they can for a phone that costs 2-3 times the price.

This is why people moan at the cost when the companies involved start talking about much more frequent hardware updates

Yep loads of ways, Littlewoods, very, shopto, overclockers and many more offer monthly payments for consoles these days! Plus lets be honest here most modern phones are at least £30 a month if not more...

 

[malachi]

The fact that you quoted whathifi proves you arent part of the home cinema community, its considered not much higher than the Sun in comparison to broadsheet journalism

Of course Im not lol, i didn't say I was. Im a gamer and buy my game consoles to play games and not media. I already have a HTPC to do everything else.

 

[PhoenixUK]

I dont disagree with this at all, but there are a few things to consider;

are you the type of person that only reads /listens / watches (choose your variety of media as relevant) once or twice in quick succession or do you like to watch / listen etc several times over multiple months /years?
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Yep that's exactly what I've said, it's something that each person should consider. Then again, person such as yourself would probably already have a better bluray player . I personally watched less than 10 movies on physical media in the last 10 years. I bought a bluray drive for my pc when upgrading few years ago and only used it twice to install windows which I've replaced with usb install recently anyway.

 

[BMox81]

Melmac you seem to have a little issue here with what I am saying. A ford fiesta is extremely poor when compared to a £100k Merc, but it doesn't mean it's bad. Simply its not as good as a standalone player.

If you are not after the best of the best ofc you'd buy xbox one s for a UHD player it's a no brainier but it is not and i repeat not the same as a UB900.

As for streaming, no the infrastructure is not there yet hence why physical media is the best currently.

I've seen many people find virtually no difference between the UB900 and One S when it comes to picture quality.

The One S to me is the best UHD player because of what it offers on top of the UHD aspect. All things that you won't find on a standalone player. And when it gets the Atmos upgrade it will only make it even better.

 

[Boomstick777]

I've got both and they are both excellent.

Honestly recommend both consoles, Xbox One S is a sexy looking whisper quiet lil machine xD

Some great exclusives and UHD BluRay playback (Which are stunning, if you have a 4K Set)

PS4 Pro is a lil powerhouse in terms of what a console can do, the few games I have tried with 4K options have stunning tbh. Easily comparable to my GTX 1070 running 1440P games. Amazing really considering the PS4 Pro is circa £350, got mine for £299.

So yeah buy 1 now, and the other later. It really doesn't need to be which is best, because both are great.

 

[GHazy]

Oh well clearly my eyes must be broken then. Not that I care, I paid £300 for my UB900 and for me it it's a better player that offers more in terms of UHD bluray. You do also know that the Xbox one s can not upconvert 1080p to 4k dont you? If your Tv is poor at this then it will look worse and thats a fact

 

[melmac]

Melmac you seem to have a little issue here with what I am saying. A ford fiesta is extremely poor when compared to a £100k Merc, but it doesn't mean it's bad. Simply its not as good as a standalone player.

If you are not after the best of the best ofc you'd buy xbox one s for a UHD player it's a no brainier but it is not and i repeat not the same as a UB900.

But your statement was wrong and it made sound to the OP, who is interested in UHD playback, that Xbox one S was an extremely poor UHD player. It's not, in fact when it gets the bitstream capability, the only difference will be the speed, because picture wise there is very little difference.

And if you don't have pretty good speakers and a decent receiver, the sound quality between the S decoding or the receiver decoding is not an issue.

I've seen many people find virtually no difference between the UB900 and One S when it comes to picture quality.

The One S to me is the best UHD player because of what it offers on top of the UHD aspect. All things that you won't find on a standalone player. And when it gets the Atmos upgrade it will only make it even better.

Exactly this. But, it should have had bitstreaming from the start. A big slip up by Microsoft, especially as they want the xbox to become the media hub in your home.

Oh well clearly my eyes must be broken then. Not that I care, I paid £300 for my UB900 and for me it it's a better player that offers more in terms of UHD bluray. You do also know that the Xbox one s can not upconvert 1080p to 4k dont you? If your Tv is poor at this then it will look worse and thats a fact

You like the UB9800 more, good for you. As for your upscaling point. I would bet any money that from Normal viewing distances, 7-10ft from the TV, most people, would not be able to tell the difference between 1080 material played on the xbox and 1080 material upscaled. And that's a scientific fact.

 

[Jase]

PS4 Pro is in a different league to the Xbone S in terms of performance the Xbox isn't as good as the standard PS4 and now looks like a generation behind when it comes to the PS4 Pro.

Of course it will come down to Games but if I had to choose one then it would have to be the PS4 Pro all the way, it's stunning for the price.

If you bought the Xbone you'd probably want to upgrade to the Scorpio next year so a bit of a waste.. buy the Pro, save some money and buy the Scorpio next year (if its released then) and have the best of both.

I'd always buy a console for the gaming features and AV features as I get dedicated players for that to go with the home cinema setup. That may not apply to everyone though but it's not something I consider.

 

[PhoenixUK]

I would bet any money that from Normal viewing distances, 7-10ft from the TV, most people, would not be able to tell the difference between 1080 material played on the xbox and 1080 material upscaled. And that's a scientific fact.

You're right, however, those same people will not notice the difference between a dvd and uhd bluray and even good quality 1080p stream. In which case, why bother? Sony knew this, MS added it because they couldn't come up with anything else - they know well that if all they did was "xbox slim" they would have to sell it for $99 and nobody would buy it. Xbox one s is now basically a cheap bluray player/media centre with console capability.