Any history buffs ? Why are Nazi worst in history

RaohNS said:
I think the Nazis were the "worst" in history because of their efforts to kill an entire section of society and purify a race as it were. Systematic slaughter and deaths on an industrial scale. Probably the worst crime in human history.

There are always however, very interesting tenets of history that ought be at least acknowledged or not be presented as a lie. The issue is some of these lies are still believed even when it has been proven beyond almost all doubt to be false.

Jews declared war on Germany first though remember and Kristalnachts cause is not delivered in mainstream education.

The Jewish Holocaust was actually not the biggest systematic death count of WW2.

Also I saw a poster say 1938 was when the murdering started wholesale... That's not possible given WW2 did not commence until 1939 and the Final Solution document was nit signed until 1942 iirc
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You'll have to explain that a bit more...?

The shooting of a German diplomat by a Jewish man should not result in the systematic destruction of Jewish peoples property... it was an excuse by the Nazi party to intensify action that was already occurring.

The concentration camps were a "logical" ending for the centuries of persecution of people of Jewish faith/ancestry which Orinaut points out was Europe wide at the time (and for centuries before). Jews have been pariahs for centuries before the Nazis got into power. The same old arguments used now against Jews in general (wealthy, undue power and influence, secretly calling the shots in government and big business) have been used for centuries.
 
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v0n said:
The difference is exactly that - one is a fringe, tribal, nearly medieval force, the other is civilised country in the middle of modern world. If Ottoman empire emerged from dark times to become a modern 20th century society of scientists, philosophers and poets and then design methodical way of industrially murder tens of millions of people in a very short time - I'm sure we would now use "grammar ottie" instead of "grammar nazi" as a pejorative term. Meanwhile, though, they were what they were, and to most of the observers, whether Ottoman Empire were there or not, didn't make a massive difference to the volatility of the region. In short - it's not like the entire world east to west had to gather together to knock them the ef down, like it was the case with the Reich, so with all due respect to Ottoman killing force and their prospective body count, I'm afraid to say - as far as the "worst guys in history" competition goes - Nazi Germany still holds their own.
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Again that's your own opinion, and not a good argument at all and one that will not sway me - the ottoman empire was nothing like a fringe , tribal or medieval force at all.

Istanbul observatory , sextant , The astronomical clock to name but 3 inventions.
As for military - they were armed and trained along German lines prior to WW1 equipped with Mauser M1893 rifles and various maxim , Hotchkiss and Schwarzlose machine guns. They did not have tanks
 
Harlequin said:
Again that's your own opinion, and not a good argument at all and one that will not sway me - the ottoman empire was nothing like a fringe , tribal or medieval force at all.
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I'm not sure what you are arguing any more, I don't have to argument it or sway you - I'm defending status quo, you are proposing the new villain - it is up to you to convince us that Ottoman Empire deserves to be "worse" as the title simplifies - ie. more notorious, villainous etc.

To me the fact that at some point in their short, 5 year old campaign almost the entire world was either affected first hand or directly involved in stopping Nazi forces, speaks volumes. It was called World War for a reason (the previous war, we now know as WWI was known as The Great War at the time btw). Whereas most schoolbooks don't even teach about Ottoman Wars, because for the most part, they didn't affect any major country on a grand scale - it's more like a turmoil on the outskirts of Africa, unrests in the middle east region (what's new), some issues in Hungary and outskirts of Europe, a highlight of grandeur was what - a short lived 17th century campaign somewhere in Austria, few knock outs at Vienna and puff - irrelevant on grand scale for the rest of its existence?

Try an active intervention against one European country which required engagement of nearly 60 countries around the globe including Brasil, Canada and New Zealand in an armed engagement.
 
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you`ve used the words `medieval ` and `tribal` which the ottomans were not - and they were ofc involved in WW1 , which was called the grand war and only world war 1 when number 2 kicked off.

be careful , your anti muslim bias is showing
 
Harlequin said:
be careful , your anti muslim bias is showing
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Dude, you do realise this is "competition" for the "worst war mongering entity in history of the world"? I'm defending Ottomans from this title and you are telling me I am biased against muslims? You know what - who gives a sheikh - have it your way - you are right - they were the worst, villainous, ugly, murderous creatures - Nazis can now retire, or something?
 
Harlequin said:
you`ve used the words `medieval ` and `tribal` which the ottomans were not - and they were ofc involved in WW1 , which was called the grand war and only world war 1 when number 2 kicked off.

be careful , your anti muslim bias is showing
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Too bad they slaughtered the armenians though... but to you, i guess that never happened right?
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Given how the Japanese treat their POW's it should have been something a great deal worse (
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but was it any worse than the way the Brits treat normal prisoners and POWs in medieval times? if you read any books on medieval torture there were soome truly horrific things done on a fairly regular basis as common practice.
the North/South US did some pretty brutal things in their POW camps too during the civil war.
 
Crpwned said:
Yea I got diagnosed with this in September and hearing people refer to both GPA and Wegener's made me think I had 2 illnesses until the consultant said they're phasing out the old name due to his nazi links :o
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Must admit, I had not heard the new name without looking it up.
Been a while since it was taught to me, things have obviously changed.
Not in that field of course, but ho-hum, learn something new everyday.
 
Crpwned said:
Yea I got diagnosed with this in September and hearing people refer to both GPA and Wegener's made me think I had 2 illnesses until the consultant said they're phasing out the old name due to his nazi links :o
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I'm almost exactly 3 years in, email in trust if you want to ask about anything.
 
Mason- said:
Because the people who win the wars write the history books.
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+1

Once you do your own research, you quickly see how classroom/general WW2 history lessons are extremely one sided, to say the least..........

For example, I heard absolutely no mention of the devastating typhus epidemic that killed thousands upon thousands in the concentration camps, until I did my own research......
 
Dave2150 said:
For example, I heard absolutely no mention of the devastating typhus epidemic that killed thousands upon thousands in the concentration camps, until I did my own research......
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I don't get your point...."thousands upon thousands" as opposed to the millions upon millions gassed by Nazis? The concentration camps created the conditions where the disease could flourish, i.e lots of people in close proximity who are weakend by malnourishment, slave labour etc.

And I seem to remember studying Anne Frank at school briefly and learning that she died of typhus, so it wasn't a big cover-up.
 
VincentHanna said:
I don't get your point...."thousands upon thousands" as opposed to the millions upon millions gassed by Nazis? The concentration camps created the conditions where the disease could flourish, i.e lots of people in close proximity who are weakend by malnourishment, slave labour etc.

And I seem to remember studying Anne Frank at school briefly and learning that she died of typhus, so it wasn't a big cover-up.
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I took it has OUR concentration camps :confused:
 
Well I just googled 'British concentration camps typhus" and the only article of note is a holocaust denial site claiming no Jews were gassed by Nazis, they all died of typhus. And their 'proof' is 3 photos of some smiling prisoners.

So I assume he is one of these loony holocaust deniers...
 
The acts they did while atrocious were made more shocking by the fact that at the time, Germany was a very cutting-edge and very modern society.

As awful as it sounds, these things only happened in countries we could not relate to, Germany was different.

The most terrible acts, I don't think so, the most shocking for the time, I think it was.
 
adolf hamster said:
And look up joseph mengele if you want to lose more, and be even more enraged that he escaped justice (not that theres any punishment could have fitted his crimes)
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As did most of the Japanese scientists; granted immunity as long as they agreed to add their research to the American biological warfare weapons program. Sickening really.
 
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