All police to have degrees!

TheVoice said:
Indeed, which is why I find it surprising he continues to steam into arguments thinking he does. You'd think repeatedly being proven wrong would dissuade that behaviour.
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Seriously?

You have proof that police officers won't be expected to investigate/uphold ridiculous future laws relating to internet criminality?

You have proof that newly criminalised activity (namely internet criminality such as female ejaculation) is not going to be included in new police education/training? Nor expected to be upheld or investigated?


I think that is absolutely marvellous. I honestly do. I'd love to see some of this proof so I can stop worrying about the continuing demise of society.
 
Considering today on Radio 4 they were going on about how 4 times more people from wealthy backgrounds attend university than those from poorer ones. Seems to me its the wealthy/powerful trying to monopolise more of society so they can control the "slaves"
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Edit: I should stop feeding the troll.
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Thanks for admitting you've been "feeding" me, but I assure you I'm not trolling anyone, I'm actually being trolled.

Who comes into a thread and posts nonsense like "I should stop feeding the troll" when the troll simply asks for proof that police are not trained in accordance with latest/new laws and legislation which they're now allowed to use (for example, how to investigate using the new investigatory powers bill and how to secure a conviction on someone for watching a woman squirt?)


Do you think officers should go around using newly imposed investigatory powers without any training on how to use it? And do you think new laws are made without giving police any training on how to deal with people who do break new laws?

If you think these are troll questions perhaps you should just ignore them and move on and let someone answer them with the same civility and sincerity with which I asked them.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
Yes.I know this happens.
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Ok that's good.

So new laws have been made where police have had no training on how to actually deal/uphold/investigate them. Good.


Now we have an impending reform/update to the education/training of police officers.

Will the current admitted issue of lack of training on new law be addressed? Or are you saying this reform/update in the police's education/training requirements has nothing to do with improving the currently admittedly bad/non-existent training?

And are you saying that this reform/update in training requirements is happening for some other reason other than currently bad training? And it will have nothing to do with the fact that the internet is the new domain for policing, and the fact that the police now have brand new investigatory powers on the internet itself?
 
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I thought all the police had degrees anyway in mental retardation, manipulation and lying. :mad:

Must be an internal training thing I guess. :confused:
 
Basically 'normal' police will be in the stations interrogating people and 'specials' will be on the streets doing the real work. This way they require less proper police leaving more money spare.
 
helpimcrap said:
Basically 'normal' police will be in the stations interrogating people and 'specials' will be on the streets doing the real work. This way they require less proper police leaving more money spare.
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How does a degree make you good at questioning people?

I have a degree in engineering, does that mean i'm now qualified to be a police officer?
 
Dis86 said:
How does a degree make you good at questioning people?

I have a degree in engineering, does that mean i'm now qualified to be a police officer?
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I didn't say it did. I'm being cynical, they'll stick the 'grunts' on the front line that doesn't require a degree and keep the others in the offices filling out paperwork 'using' the degree they need.
 
And it's also putting more money back into the system as each officer will have a £30k+ student loan that they will spend their life paying back so it's guaranteed income for the govt.
 
asim18 said:
Will the current admitted issue of lack of training on new law be addressed? Or are you saying this reform/update in the police's education/training requirements has nothing to do with improving the currently admittedly bad/non-existent training?
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No, because you simply can't (and may not even need to) cover every single aspect of criminal law in training or expect every new PC to learn everything. That's why specialisms exist.

The new syllabus is focused on the various aspects of policing, not just the law.

helpimcrap said:
I didn't say it did. I'm being cynical, they'll stick the 'grunts' on the front line that doesn't require a degree and keep the others in the offices filling out paperwork 'using' the degree they need.
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The degree is for all entry PCs. What you're describing is just different roles which already exist anyway.

helpimcrap said:
And it's also putting more money back into the system as each officer will have a £30k+ student loan that they will spend their life paying back so it's guaranteed income for the govt.
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Only if they choose to self-fund prior to joining.
 
Completely idiotic and I have a science degree.

Uni is filled to the brim with drivelling morons these days a degree along is not proof alone that you are competent.

But that's the way the world is going now.... back in day you could work minimum wage in America buy a house and put a couple kids through college for example.

These days you need a 200k degree to clean toilets.
 
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TheVoice said:
The new syllabus is focused on the various aspects of policing, not just the law.

The degree is for all entry PCs. What you're describing is just different roles which already exist anyway.

Only if they choose to self-fund prior to joining.
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Does it apply to PCSO's as well? I didn't know that. I thought they were PCs with limited powers?

I understand it would encompass everything however a lot of that is understanding which makes it seem like a psychology degree.
 
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