Is anyone elses default stance on people a negative one?

Slam62 said:
I can see your point, but society has to accept that some people for whatever reason end up in a situation where they cannot look after themselves.

The choice is let them die on the street and then find their relatives and make them pay for burial or reconstruct them as contributors to society.
At the moment we operate in some sort of 10% of the way house whereby charities just about cope.
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I think we already subvert darwinism enough by sending billions to overpopulated countries, keeping people alive that otherwise would have already died out a long time ago due to their arid inhospitable land..
 
Feek said:
I hear this a lot. Who are "they" that say this and where is the evidence?
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It was on a TV show but I can't recall the name or channel hence the use of 'they'. There were charities on the show and they said they knew the regular/genuine people on the streets as opposed to the people 'working' the streets.
 
terley said:
Am i just broken? Or am i a realist who understands that most people are just **** ups that deserve no respect.
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I wasnt going to bother replying but that outlook really does not make you a realist. Far far from it.

Yeah some people are complete dicks, not all though, are you one of those that ****es on tramps for fun i have heard in the news recently?
 
terley said:
Where are the acts of kindness for the 60 hour a week working dad who works his hands to the bone to put food on the table for his kids and barely gets 5 minutes to himself?
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Get your Mrs give you a ham shank, there's 30 seconds of your 5 minutes :)
 
terley said:
I think we already subvert darwinism enough by sending billions to overpopulated countries, keeping people alive that otherwise would have already died out a long time ago due to their arid inhospitable land..
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We can't afford to save the world, but if it was a member of your family you might hope that collectively society might try to help.
 
terley said:
Am i just broken? Or am i a realist who understands that most people are just **** ups that deserve no respect.
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Well now that you've just posted pictures of your 2 xmas trees in the other thread, it is looking more like a ' look at me i've turned my life around - **** the losers who can't - self promotion thread'
 
Gigabit said:
I was told by a Christian charity to never, under any circumstances, give money to homeless people. Food is fine but money should go to a charity.
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Correct, i offered to take a beggar for a bacon butty and a coffee, he said he would rather have the 3 quid.
 
terley said:
I think we already subvert darwinism enough by sending billions to overpopulated countries, keeping people alive that otherwise would have already died out a long time ago due to their arid inhospitable land..
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Do we subvert Darwinism through Altruism?
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100825/full/news.2010.427.html

Do sterile worker ants also subvert Darwinism?
Shouldn't the Alpha Male(s) just go around killing the children of potential competitors?
Perhaps your ideology is simply to return to the jungle, whilst simultaneously ignoring how humans have evolved?
 
No. My default position on everyone is that they're a decent person until they prove otherwise.

It sometimes results in me being taken for ride, but, compared to moving through life assuming the worst, I can live with it.
 
terley said:
The zero hour contract thing has been spun by the media as to portray it as a demon of all contracts.

Some things you need to remember about them


  • If you have worked there for 6 months then you cannot legally be dropped to zero hours - you will win in court every time.
  • Zero hour contracts protects small businesses from potential bankruptcy in the event of a change in business.
  • Zero hour contracts allow for flexibility.

I was a store manager of over 50 staff all on zero hour contracts, Not once did i need to drop anyone to Zero hours, even if i wanted to.. i couldn't.

My brother was due to be married in las vegas, and i was asked 1 week before if i wanted to go.. In a salaried job you wouldn't be able to without booking time off, as i was on a zero hour contract (earning £40k a year) i could just take the time off unpaid without holidays..

Zero hour contracts dont exploit the worker.
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I could counter with my own anecdotes about working alongside others on a zero hour contract (I was not), they we're not earning 40K and yes they were clearly disadvantaged (John Lewis Partnership in the online returns warehouse). If they are so advantageous It's surprising the rise has coincided with a financial crisis and economy the like of which not seen since the great depression.

By the way, interesting that you only take the single point of zero hour contracts to discuss and that anyone would suggest "the media" are to blame for the bad reputation.
 
stewski said:
Well the phrase exists, I'm currently undecided on the concept's practical application.
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Tell me if you've heard something like this before:

The pursuit of (rational) self-interest in absence of (government) interference (controls, barriers, obstacles) [so long as the effective freedoms of others are not impinged].

The latter part is almost always dropped. Its practical application gave us modern Russia, Iraq, Reagan/Maggie, neoliberal economics, New Labour, marketisation, targets and KPIs, democracy building, and so on. It's also aimless and nihilistic in practice, as it fundamentally views the human being as incapable of any meaningful improvement (of a greedy and psychopathic nature).

Its cultural application brought us strivers and skivers, and the following perversion of the concept:

'I do what I please, get out of my way and **** anyone who disagrees.'

Since maintaining this form of liberty is actually pretty hard (people aren't rational, game-theoretical creatures), governments often end up as managerial tyrants, trying to force the populace to be negatively free.

terley said:
Zero hour contracts dont exploit the worker.
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And you know this how?

I'd argue that as a contract, 0-hours is merely a gimped temp contract which was imported from high staff churn industries as a means to control the workforce and depress unions. Flexibility is great for some demographics, not so great for others. The key problems being:

https://fullfact.org/economy/facts-about-zero-hour-contracts/

Zero hour contracts provided about 25 hours work a week, compared with the 37 hours average for all people in employment in October-December 2014.
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Low to very variable income.

Larger firms were the most likely to have people on zero hour contracts. Half of companies with over 250 people had employees on zero hour contracts in August 2014, compared with 1 in 10 businesses employing under 20 people.
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Actually being predominantly gamed and used by big businesses.

What about exclusivity clauses?

An exclusivity clause in a contract means that you can't work for another company. Which is a problem if you don't get enough work from your sole employer—who isn't obliged to offer you any.

In response to these concerns, the government is currently looking at banning exclusivity clauses in zero hour contracts.

The Industrial Relations body ACAS say that 'effective exclusivity' is also an issue. This is where no official exclusivity clause exists, but workers may feel unable to seek employment elsewhere or turn down work from their current employer for fear of losing the hours they already have.
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Inability to gain extra hours whilst remaining locked in with a single abusive employer.

It does need reform to ensure the benefits of this arrangement for small companies are maximised whilst abuse is stamped out.
 
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terley said:
So i see again and again shared all over facebook and other social platforms, as well as being discussed in general discourse various acts of selflessness shown towards homeless/migrants etc etc etc...

Am i the only one who looks at it and instantly things negatively? Judging the homeless people as deserving their lot in life for making **** poor decisions and ending up in the mess they find themselves by their own lack of character...

IDK.. perhaps being online for so long has ruined by gaze of the human race.

Am i just broken? Or am i a realist who understands that most people are just **** ups that deserve no respect.

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My stance is believing that people are innately good but corruptible easily by others and a pack mentality - all in the sense of needing a herd to belong to.

I also believe that your average poor person wouldn't know a good financial decision if it screamed in his or hers' face. I think the majority of homeless and poverty is caused by the person's own stupidity and financial illiteracy. I don't believe laziness really comes into play when homeless stares you in the face.

Today I'll be spending Christmas with a poor person (amongst others) working three jobs but turning up in a late model BMW and clad in 10k worth of tacky jewellery. When she gets drunk she'll be railing against the government and how despite her best efforts working three jobs, she still can't get ahead.

I could go on. But as I said in the opening of this post, I still believe most people are good and wants to do the right thing, but their lifestyle choices through ignorance, financial illiteracy and lack of self control force them down difficult paths.

My suggestions are to get off social media - right now you think you need it because it's become such a habit. You 110% don't. The excuses and justifications you may or may not respond back with are invalid too. Unplug your TV and spend only a few minutes a day catching up on news headlines online. Lastly realise that the majority of people online and IRL do what they do primarily for attention or acceptance.

Once you take those positions or at least consider them when interacting with people, the negativity shouldn't be so bad
 
I honestly don't believe that [all] people are innately good - in situations where I've seen that sort of able to be tested only a smaller proportion seem to listen to that inner voice towards good.
 
Brizzles said:
Well now that you've just posted pictures of your 2 xmas trees in the other thread, it is looking more like a ' look at me i've turned my life around - **** the losers who can't - self promotion thread'
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Possibly given a few of his threads he recently started:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18750356

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18755192

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18760649

Reminds me of this:



Hey-ho...
 
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