AMD Announces FreeSync 2

DragonQ · 4 Jan 2017 at 10:21

The quote in the OP is just wrong. AMD's video is pretty clear that FreeSync 2 is a successor certification to FreeSync that adds support for HDR whilst keeping input lag low and enforces LFC (not sure why since I thought their drivers did that anyway). Any monitor that is FreeSync 2 certified will obviously also support variable refresh rate a la FreeSync. The name makes sense, it turns out.

I suspect it'll be nearly a year, if not longer, before we see properly good FreeSync 2 monitors with IPS panels, 144 Hz, 1440p, HDR10, etc.

Apache14 · 4 Jan 2017 at 10:25

Didn't see this posted in this thread (sorry if it's a re post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4FQbVwirKM

So Freesync 2 is a new and "standard" that includes better adaptive sync ranges and HDR color mapping pre monitor to reduce lag. So it probably should have been called Freesync+ or something

TNA · 4 Jan 2017 at 10:28

DragonQ said:
The quote in the OP is just wrong. AMD's video is pretty clear that FreeSync 2 is a successor certification to FreeSync that adds support for HDR whilst keeping input lag low and enforces LFC (not sure why since I thought their drivers did that anyway). Any monitor that is FreeSync 2 certified will obviously also support variable refresh rate a la FreeSync.

The name makes sense, it turns out.

So in other words videocardz.com posted a load of tripe. Why am I not surprised?

But don't worry, someone will be along shortly to quote them again. lol :rolleyes:

varkanoid · 4 Jan 2017 at 13:36

This made me laugh when you start the video -

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Apache14 · 4 Jan 2017 at 22:26

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/what-is-hdmi-2-1-specs-explained

Looks like the new HDMI 2.1 spec has variable refresh rates tech built in (could well be based on FreeSync HDMI) ... either way good for future standard variable refresh rates on PCs and consoles

eddyr · 4 Jan 2017 at 22:44

varkanoid said:
This made me laugh when you start the video -

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Standard corporate a*** coverage. Thankfully once you have read one you have pretty much read them all. Seen them get to a dozen or more pages. It's a ridiculous box ticking exercise.

AthlonXP1800 · 5 Jan 2017 at 00:14

nashathedog said:
So what does this mean for those of us with freesync now?

Well AMD had screwed all Freesync monitors owners and now AMD want you to buy another one very expensive brand new Freesync 2 monitors with HDR supported soon.

AthlonXP1800 · 5 Jan 2017 at 00:16

Mauller said:
Apparently all GCN GPU's that support Freesync will support Freesync 2, as they already have the hardware to output HDR signals.

No not all GCN GPU has have the hardware to output HDR signals.

I think only Polaris GPUs has HDMI 2.0a and DisplayPort 1.4 support to output HDR signal.

AthlonXP1800 · 5 Jan 2017 at 00:25

shankly1985 said:
I wounder does Gsync support HDR? Has Nvidia said anything about this?

It seemed G-Sync was launched back in 2015 had been designed as future proof that had HDR support since.

Now ASUS announced Swift PG27UQ 4K IPS 144Hz G-Sync HDR monitor.

http://videocardz.com/65369/asus-announces-swift-pg27uq-4k-ips-144hz-g-sync-monitor

AthlonXP1800 · 5 Jan 2017 at 00:46

Apache14 said:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/what-is-hdmi-2-1-specs-explained

Looks like the new HDMI 2.1 spec has variable refresh rates tech built in (could well be based on FreeSync HDMI) ... either way good for future standard variable refresh rates on PCs and consoles

Wow interesting.

I was planned to get a new 4K HDR HDTV in 2017 but after read about HDMI 2.1 announcement so I will wait a while until HDMI 2.1 enabled 4K HDR HDTVs due out hopefully by end of 2017.

I find it absolutely madness there are now 5 screen refresh rate standards, Adaptive-Sync from VESA, FreeSync and upcoming FreeSync 2 from AMD, G-Sync from Nvidia and finally Game Mode VRR from HDMI.

I don't understand why VESA, AMD, Nvidia and HDMI all cant come to agree on solutions and worked altogether to created a unified industry standard like Adaptive-Sync that all can use and enjoyed it.

Hopefully Game Mode VRR will end the madness game.

tommybhoy · 5 Jan 2017 at 01:23

Apache14 said:
Looks like the new HDMI 2.1 spec has variable refresh rates tech built in (could well be based on FreeSync HDMI) ... either way good for future standard variable refresh rates on PCs and consoles

Even though I'm running G-Sync, well happy AMD's pushed the open standards route, now all we need is Nv to start supporting open VRR's(no reason they can't support both formats since newer GS panels come with HDMi too) and it's happy days all round for everyone and hopefully the end of gpu enforced monitor lock ins.

Final8y · 5 Jan 2017 at 02:42

AthlonXP1800 said:
Well AMD had screwed all Freesync monitors owners and now AMD want you to buy another one very expensive brand new Freesync 2 monitors with HDR supported soon.

Thats like saying 720P users were all screwed over because 1080p came out.
60Hz users were screwed over by 120Hz, 120Hz users where screwed over by 144Hz.

Progress is just wrong.

drunkenmaster · 5 Jan 2017 at 05:07

AthlonXP1800 said:
Wow interesting.

I was planned to get a new 4K HDR HDTV in 2017 but after read about HDMI 2.1 announcement so I will wait a while until HDMI 2.1 enabled 4K HDR HDTVs due out hopefully by end of 2017.

I find it absolutely madness there are now 5 screen refresh rate standards, Adaptive-Sync from VESA, FreeSync and upcoming FreeSync 2 from AMD, G-Sync from Nvidia and finally Game Mode VRR from HDMI.

I don't understand why VESA, AMD, Nvidia and HDMI all cant come to agree on solutions and worked altogether to created a unified industry standard like Adaptive-Sync that all can use and enjoyed it.

Hopefully Game Mode VRR will end the madness game.

Freesync uses adaptive-sync, Freesync 2 uses adaptive-sync. G-sync is it's own thing and HDMI variable refresh rate doesn't use adaptive sync, because HDMI is not the same as display port.

TNA · 5 Jan 2017 at 08:23

Final8y said:
Thats like saying 720P users were all screwed over because 1080p came out.
60Hz users where screwed over by 120Hz, 120Hz users where screwed over by 144Hz.

Progress is just wrong.

+1

His post makes no sense.

Apache14 · 5 Jan 2017 at 09:04

AthlonXP1800 said:
I find it absolutely madness there are now 5 screen refresh rate standards, Adaptive-Sync from VESA, FreeSync and upcoming FreeSync 2 from AMD, G-Sync from Nvidia and finally Game Mode VRR from HDMI.

I don't understand why VESA, AMD, Nvidia and HDMI all cant come to agree on solutions and worked altogether to created a unified industry standard like Adaptive-Sync that all can use and enjoyed it.

Adaptive Sync is a display port standard, this is what Freesync uses on display port for variable refresh rate.

VRR on HDMI is the HDMI standard for the above, hopefully AMD will make use of this when HDMI 2.1 is in some monitors / TVs for Freesync over HDMI

Now Nvidia is using a totally non standards compatible implementation, using a special FPGA plug in to enable G-Sync. So really you should be saying why can't Nvidia just use display standards (adaptive sync) to implement G-Sync

AthlonXP1800 said:
Well AMD had screwed all Freesync monitors owners and now AMD want you to buy another one very expensive brand new Freesync 2 monitors with HDR supported soon.

Don't see your point, it's just Freesync + HDR optimisations for lag. Seeing as HDR gaming isn't all that widespread I won't be dropping my Freesync monitor any time soon.

Also after Nvidia's press release this means Freesync will soon have a pretty good edge over G-Sync (lower lag HDR)

maonayze · 5 Jan 2017 at 09:20

AthlonXP1800 said:
Well AMD had screwed all Freesync monitors owners and now AMD want you to buy another one very expensive brand new Freesync 2 monitors with HDR supported soon.

No monitors supported HDR regardless of any Sync technology. Now HDR is a thing, newer monitors will support it. It's called progress. No G-Sync monitors support HDR either so its nothing to do with whether the cards support it or not...the monitors don't. It's the monitor tech not the card tech.

AthlonXP1800 said:
I don't understand why VESA, AMD, Nvidia and HDMI all cant come to agree on solutions and worked altogether to created a unified industry standard like Adaptive-Sync that all can use and enjoyed it.

Hopefully Game Mode VRR will end the madness game.

Well AMD is based on Vesa standards which anyone can use. AMD also have Freesync running over HDMI so I imagine that could be sorted with relative ease...so who does that leave...Hmmmmmm oh yeah Nvidia. The only ones who want their proprietary system to succeed because any other will not rake them in the money. The madness game will end when everyone supports the Vesa standard.

Now here's what I don't get....Why the hell don't Nvidia support both G-Sync and Adaptive Sync. That way anyone with £500 worth of Freesync monitor could go and buy an Nvidia card and have it work with VRR. Surely it is better for Nvidia to gain £200 - £1200 by having an AMD user buy an Nvidia card and lose out on a £200 G-Sync widget than it is for them to stick with an AMD card as Nvidia gain nothing from that.

Personally, I'd see that as a no brainer. However, Nvidia will not be seen to back down and support A-Sync as I think they feel it will show that A-Sync has won the VRR battle and that would not be good for Nvidia mindshare.
:cool:

eddyr · 5 Jan 2017 at 11:32

AthlonXP1800 said:
Well AMD had screwed all Freesync monitors owners and now AMD want you to buy another one very expensive brand new Freesync 2 monitors with HDR supported soon.

As moanayze explained above. If your current expensive Gync monitor isn't HDR it is not suddenly going to become capable of HDR becasue it has a Gysnc module.

Nv/AMD owners are exactly in the same boat in needeing to buy a new expensive HDR monitor to get HDR.

Also some facts:
HDR wont be hitting budget monitors anytime soon.
Freesync is already in budget 1080p TN monitors. A differentiator is needed due to different capabilities of third party controllers.
NV control the chain between GPU and monitor with Gsync (the display controller and GPU hardware). They can make a gsync module to do whatever they want and it allows flexibility for feature updates. It makes no sense to complicate the brand logo if it's not needed. Their differentiator will simply be 'HDR' on the box.

melmac · 5 Jan 2017 at 14:43

AthlonXP1800 said:
Well AMD had screwed all Freesync monitors owners and now AMD want you to buy another one very expensive brand new Freesync 2 monitors with HDR supported soon.

Please tell me how exactly have Freesync monitor owners been screwed over? Or is this just another lame attempt by you to troll?

AthlonXP1800 said:
I don't understand why VESA, AMD, Nvidia and HDMI all cant come to agree on solutions and worked altogether to created a unified industry standard like Adaptive-Sync that all can use and enjoyed it.

VESA is the body that governs display port standards. There are over 225 companies in VESA. AMD and Nvidia are both part of it, it's VESA that are approved the adaptive sync spec for display port. Both AMD and Nvidia have people on the board of directors of VESA.

Maybe you should stop hating on AMD and maybe ask Nvidia why they won't commit to the standard (adaptive sync) that they are part of with VESA?

shankly1985 · 5 Jan 2017 at 15:26

AthlonXP1800 needs to upgrade his/her name it's dated now

So much misinformed posts.

varkanoid · 5 Jan 2017 at 16:10

eddyr said:
Standard corporate a*** coverage. Thankfully once you have read one you have pretty much read them all. Seen them get to a dozen or more pages. It's a ridiculous box ticking exercise.

have you read some of it, about half way down its actually talking about AMD's financial situation and if they do not sell enough they will be in certain dooda etc and subject to some kind of buyout.

Nothing to do with the product at all