I don't understand racism or homophobia

[NikTheSHNIK]

So you have gone from ""In theory, slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial or color component, although this has not always been the case in practice." in your defence of Islam, to the above for Christians. Can you please quote in the Bible that Christian law has a racial or colour component of slaves, so you are at least consistent?

Papal Bulls were Catholic law...

Here is an example for you:

Dum Diversas (English: Until different) is a papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V. It authorized Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude".[1][2] Pope Calixtus III reiterated the bull in 1456 with Inter Caetera (not to be confused with Alexander VI's), renewed by Pope Sixtus IV in 1481 and Pope Leo X in 1514 with Precelse denotionis.

Where by the saracens were a distinct racial group from the region of the northern sinai peninsular. It later grew into a term encompassing all muslims.

If you want to go into the African slave trade, The Southern Baptists used the bible to justify white supremacy and the continuation of the slave trade even after the Catholics had denounced the practice.A link to the reporting of that event.

"It is significant that the proslavery appeal was always to the authority of the
Bible and never to the spirit of Christianity." - The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before 1830 - Larry R. Morrison

In more general terms, not specifically racial justifications: Harvard Divinity School's Jacob K. Olupona states that "Christianity was deeply culpable in the African slave trade, inasmuch as it consistently provided a moral cloak for the buying and selling of human beings."

If you want an example of racism from the bible then just go straight to the parable of "The Good Samaritan". A piece of the most repulsive racist twaddle that belittles our faculties ever written.

 

[Tosno]

Papal Bulls were Catholic law...

I'm asking for Christian law from the Bible not Catholic law. Since your first post was a knock against Christian churches in general not just Catholics, while skipping over Arabic Muslim slave trade. Defending Islam with "In theory, slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial or color component, although this has not always been the case in practice" So yes Catholics have the practice as Arab Muslims did/still do but where is the law from the Bible?

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

I'm asking for Christian law from the Bible not Catholic law. Since your first post was a knock against Christian churches in general not just Catholics, while skipping over Arabic Muslim slave trade. Defending Islam with "In theory, slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial or color component, although this has not always been the case in practice" So yes Catholics have the practice as Arab Muslims did/still do but where is the law from the Bible?

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.” (Peter 2:18: )

Leviticus 25:44-46 - Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

Psalm 123:2 (New International Version (NIV)): As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy.

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:9:And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Colossians 3:22:Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Colossians 4:1:Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

Titus 2:9:Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

 

[Dis86]

I can't see anything there condoning slavery. Just some sound advice! If you're a slave, don't disrespect your master - it ain't gonna go well for you!

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

I can't see anything there condoning slavery. Just some sound advice! If you're a slave, don't disrespect your master - it ain't gonna go well for you!

“Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever.”
—Leviticus 25:44-46

Doesn't get much clearer.

 

[Tosno]

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.” (Peter 2:18: )

Leviticus 25:44-46 - Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

Psalm 123:2 (New International Version (NIV)): As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy.

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:9:And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Colossians 3:22:Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Colossians 4:1:Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

Titus 2:9:Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

I can't see anything about the "racial or color component" I must be blind, can you please highlight it for me

 

[Dis86]

“Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever.”
—Leviticus 25:44-46

Doesn't get much clearer.

That's from the old testament. Nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

I can't see anything about the "racial or color component" I must be blind, can you please highlight it for me

You asked for examples in the bible that condoned slavery I gave them.

If you keep shifiting the goal posts then you are merely trolling. Here are some examples of how the bible has been used to condone slavery:

American Christians have used the Bible to promote racism. When the Northern and Southern Baptists split in 1845 over the issue of slavery, Southern Baptists were using an obscure reference in Genesis to justify owning slaves — the so-called “Mark of Cain.” In Genesis 4, we read of God placing a visible “mark” of some sort on Cain for murdering his brother and lying about it when God asked what had happened. As early as the fifth century, Cain’s curse was interpreted as black skin, and millions of Christians have used it to justify slavery.

A bit later in Genesis, we read of Noah cursing his son Ham, declaring that his offspring would henceforth serve those of his brothers. The “Curse of Ham” was another Biblical justification for slavery. One particularly disturbing appeal to the Bible argued that Noah and his family on the ark were all white, so any blacks on the ark must have been among the animals.

Christian slave owners in the United States operated within a tradition that provided biblical justification for owning slaves in the same way that one owned horses. The arguments were varied: The Ten Commandments instruct us not to “covet our neighbor’s manservant (= slave),” but make no comment about our neighbor owning a slave in the first place. We are also told not to covet his donkey. The great patriarch Abraham — Kierkegaard’s “Knight of Faith” — owned slaves. The apostle Paul returned a runaway slave to his master. Jesus did not condemn the widespread slavery in the Roman world. If slavery was wrong, why does the Bible not condemn it?

These examples were taken from:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karl-giberson-phd/the-biblical-roots-of-racism_b_7649390.html

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

That's from the old testament. Nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.

Unfortunately that argument didn't hold much sway with the Southern Baptists who used the old testament to justify their preaching of white supremacy to their congregations.

 

[Tosno]

You asked for examples in the bible that condoned slavery I gave them.

Nope.

Can you please quote in the Bible that Christian law has a racial or colour component of slaves, so you are at least consistent?

 

[dalehitchy1]

That's from the old testament. Nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.

Unrelated to the thread but if I had £1 for everytime I heard a Christian say this is be a very rich man.

When it's ironic because they normally quote the old testaments due to my sexuality. I then go to argue Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality.

Then I get told a few more things from the book, especially from the old testament again. I point out things like slavery, not wearing cotton polyblend, eating shellfish, being stoned to death if you marry as a none virgin etc. Christian's don't follow this part, yet I get told I wouldn't be able to pick and choose parts of the Bible I'd like to follow.

 

[Dis86]

Unfortunately that argument didn't hold much sway with the Southern Baptists who used the old testament to justify their preaching of white supremacy to their congregations.

Any sources to show that?

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

I'm asking for Christian law from the Bible

yup

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

Any sources to show that?

http://eweb.furman.edu/~benson/docs/rcd-fmn1.htm

 

[Tosno]

yup

Nope
and the rest "racial or colour component of slaves"

 

[Dis86]

Your source is from 1822!!!!

 

[tom_e]

Your source is from 1822!!!!

How old does a source have to be before it's no longer classed as relevant to a discussion

 

[Liquiduk]

A large part of it will have something to do with a person's upbringing. If you're brought up around parents or friends who are racist, sexist or homophobic it would be all too easy to be influenced by their views.

This was the case with my parents, it did not rub off on me. I grew up realising there are brilliant and horrible people of all types of ethnicity.

 

[Dis86]

How old does a source have to be before it's no longer classed as relevant to a discussion

Preferably from this century if not at least the last.

Not something nearly 200 years old.

 

[NikTheSHNIK]

Your source is from 1822!!!!

He was one of the founders of the Souther Baptist church, and he had the temerity to suggest that because the Apostles lived in a slave holding society and did not fight it with all their god given powers that such a relationship between Christian and non-Christian was justified.

"Had the holding of slaves been a moral evil, it cannot be supposed, that the inspired Apostles, who feared not the faces of men, and were ready to lay down their lives in the cause of their God, would have tolerated it, for a moment, in the Christian Church. If they had done so on a principle of accommodation, in cases where the masters remained heathen, to avoid offences and civil commotion; yet, surely, where both master and servant were Christian, as in the case before us, they would have enforced the law of Christ, and required, that the master should liberate his slave in the first instance. But, instead of this, they let the relationship remain untouched, as being lawful and right, and insist on the relative duties."