*** Nintendo Switch ***

A short Mario Odyssey gameplay demo here:

https://youtu.be/D4YrHReUh50?t=3h33m12s

The Galaxy games are my personal favourite Mario games, 3D Land and 3D World were fantastic games too. It's definitely time for another 3d adventure Mario game though.

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It's £280 console that comes with a screen, with design and R&D to make that work, comes with on board battery, 2* controllers.

If you want to talk value. The competition has no screen, 1 controller and pretty much a mini pc in a box. There isn't much thinking besides providing home entertainment.

(wait for ghz argument)

Sure the Wii was £180 but the Wii is also 10 years old, a lot of things were cheaper 10 years ago. For me anyway, £400 is the ceiling for a launch console these days, I was expecting it between £250 to £300. I never thought it would be £180.

I think some perspective needs to be taken into account here with regards to pricing.

Oh wait, I have a PS4, I just chopped the controller in half, then found a bit of cheapo plastic to stick each side to, so it works as one controller.... but now I call it two controllers.

The Switch has one controller, Nintendo marketing and selling it as two is a disgrace and anyone silly enough to call it 2 is ridiculous.

Here is a question, when you use the Switch in handheld mode, can you play any games with just 1 controller... as Nintendo are defining them, or do you require both halves of the controller... then it's one controller.

As for the cost of the device, the chip inside costs like $10-15 range compared to the $100 chip in a PS4, the screen doesn't cost $150, it's going to be more like $30-40. It lacks a network port, audio out, a disc drive, lacks loads of features that the other consoles have and seems to lack on the software side in terms of demanding the use of a second smart device to use a lot of online/multiplayer features.
 
But if you google nVidia Shield you get a tablet.

So will you compare the switch to the shield specs like Stewski asked??

I underlined and bold the word TOP for a reason. And I google AMAZON NVIDIA SHIELD, just as I said last night...when i said I only looked on Amazon.

It was like 2am when I posted, not a real excuse but also no excuse for not seeing the word TOP in bold and underline ?

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Yes I know now there is a tablet version this morning. So now the question is, is it worth £100 more for Nintendo games and a remote and local wifi play?

I think it is a fair price to pay for the Nintendo library, play on the TV.
 
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It's a hell of a lot better than getting to play a single game for a month then losing access to it.

Subscription systems on all the consoles are terrible, I just always find it funny when people refer to the monthly games on Xbox Live / PlayStation Plus as being free. I haven't seen the conference in its entirety so I don't know how much Nintendo will be charging and what exactly you're going to get for your money besides access to one (at a time) NES/SNES game.
 
Oh wait, I have a PS4, I just chopped the controller in half, then found a bit of cheapo plastic to stick each side to, so it works as one controller.... but now I call it two controllers.

The Switch has one controller, Nintendo marketing and selling it as two is a disgrace and anyone silly enough to call it 2 is ridiculous.

Here is a question, when you use the Switch in handheld mode, can you play any games with just 1 controller... as Nintendo are defining them, or do you require both halves of the controller... then it's one controller.

As for the cost of the device, the chip inside costs like $10-15 range compared to the $100 chip in a PS4, the screen doesn't cost $150, it's going to be more like $30-40. It lacks a network port, audio out, a disc drive, lacks loads of features that the other consoles have and seems to lack on the software side in terms of demanding the use of a second smart device to use a lot of online/multiplayer features.

You missed the * in the 2 in my post?

There is a reason why I put the * in there because of EXACTLY what you have written, I am already aware so your rant is kind of pointless.

I am not sure of the cost of the chips, I don't know what field of work you work at, so I leave that to your seemingly very knowledgeable expertise in product procurement, R&D and marketing cost of bringing a new console to the market.
 
You missed the * in the 2 in my post?

There is a reason why I put the * in there because of EXACTLY what you have written, I am already aware so your rant is kind of pointless.

I am not sure of the cost of the chips, I don't know what field of work you work at, so I leave that to your seemingly very knowledgeable expertise in product procurement, R&D and marketing cost of bringing a new console to the market.

Dunno you seemed an expert on 'free screens' and it being pretty good at the top of the page lol

Think i'll go out of this thread before you break your keyboard or bust a blood vessel
 
Dunno you seemed an expert on 'free screens' and it being pretty good at the top of the page lol

Think i'll go out of this thread before you break your keyboard or bust a blood vessel

I am actually trying to edit a pole dance video...not sure I am this is the distraction from my editing or the editing distracting me from this thread. lol
 
As a very average person with an average interest in gaming this is way too rich for me, as already stated numerous times it'll boom on launch then bust.

I love Nintendo games, and have over the years enjoyed their hardware from the super famicom to the Wii, I was sceptical about Wii U and so picked up a pre owned one with games and sure enough it's sat unloved and untouched for most of it's life.

I think the Switch would suffer the same fate if I bought one, at £199 with an AAA launch title I'd have taken a punt on it as it stands I'm out, gutted as I know Zelda will be an incredible title as even the trailer has the hairs on my arms standing up.

For those that have pre ordered or are buying at launch I sincerely wish you many happy hours with it.
 
You missed the * in the 2 in my post?

There is a reason why I put the * in there because of EXACTLY what you have written, I am already aware so your rant is kind of pointless.

I am not sure of the cost of the chips, I don't know what field of work you work at, so I leave that to your seemingly very knowledgeable expertise in product procurement, R&D and marketing cost of bringing a new console to the market.

For the record, putting a line or spec or statement or whatever with a * next to it, means at the end you put another * and write something to add to the number.

Or you write "2" controllers, to indicate that you realise the 2 is I'm not even sure of the write word for it, to highlight you think it's dodgy.

2*, means almost nothing, in fact it made me think that you meant 2 times, like you get the controllers AND you have the grip as well which is like a second controller. It didn't at all indicate to me you meant 1 controller.

AS for cost, one small chips cost less, that is just a basic thing, two mobile chips compete in a market that is more about commodity pricing than general pricing. Qualcomm, Samsung, whoever, sell these chips at close to cost because the profit is in the device, not the chip. So it's more about securing enough chips than anything else, hence commodity. Mobile chips became very cheap due to competition and volume being sold. The majority of mobile chips are between 80-120mm^2 now, the console chips are around 360-380mm^2, due to decreasing yields that means they cost 4-5 times as much in general, which fits with $20 vs $100 chips.

You also aren't really paying $100 more just to get access to Nintendo, the point of selling consoles is to bring people in to buy Nintendo software, not to charge a premium to access their software. It's why console hardware has historically always been subsidised because there is say 10x more profit from the software vs hardware for the console maker.

You get a cheap console then pay 2-3 times for software over what it would cost on the PC, that is the concept of consoles. Give them cheap hardware, lock them to you and charge more for software.

The Switch's biggest failing is the extra cost in the controller. Arms doesn't need motion control, it's an option, 95% of players won't use it. 99% of games on the Switch can't use motion control because they have to work in handheld mode, why make the controllers $80 with fancy motion control stuff in, when 99% of gaming on the console will absolutely not be motion control. Then for launch basically only 1,2, Switch uses motion control, and it costs $50(for demo software that shouldn't be more than $2 total).

They could have done no motion control, not bothered with 1,2 Switch, saved $50 on the controller, launched the Switch at $250 and it would mean buying an extra controller for more people to play costs $30 instead of $80.

Right there, removing the almost entirely unused motion control, would make Switch dramatically more viable cost wise. Horrendous decision to include motion control when the market over the past what 7-8 years of kinect, Wii, PS Move has flat out rejected motion control, to add it to a handheld also console that can't possibly use it as a primary control method in almost any game.
 
As a very average person with an average interest in gaming this is way too rich for me, as already stated numerous times it'll boom on launch then bust.

I love Nintendo games, and have over the years enjoyed their hardware from the super famicom to the Wii, I was sceptical about Wii U and so picked up a pre owned one with games and sure enough it's sat unloved and untouched for most of it's life.

I think the Switch would suffer the same fate if I bought one, at £199 with an AAA launch title I'd have taken a punt on it as it stands I'm out, gutted as I know Zelda will be an incredible title as even the trailer has the hairs on my arms standing up.

For those that have pre ordered or are buying at launch I sincerely wish you many happy hours with it.

If you have a Wii U sitting untouched, you can get Zelda for it, it also hilariously costs significantly less on the Wii U than Switch. £40 Wii U, £60 Switch. They actively gave Wii U owners, which all the Nintendo hardcore will have, less reason to buy a Switch... because the only big title at launch is cheaper on the platform they have. They couldn't really not provide Zelda on WIi U because they've promised it for years, but they could have made it the same price on Switch, or more expensive on the Wii U. So many bizarre decisions to launch a new console.
 
You guys are acting like the price is a matter of life and death :o

Nobody is obligated to buy the Switch. It's just video games... If it's too expensive for anyone then don't buy it.

In the end Nintendo can price their own products how they want, and they'll adjust the price depending on supply & demand. There will be 2 million console units for launch and they expect to sell all of them quickly, hence the high prices.

EDIT I actually feel the price of the console is alright for me, games and accessories are more expensive than I expected though.
 
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Sooooooooo.....

Anyone picking up some over priced accessories?

Got the carry case on pre order so far.

Will probably get some Joy Cons later on in the year when Arms comes out.
 
The price is something I can see them taking advantage of to start with, 2 million units will go relatively quickly worldwide so they're not going to be in a position of struggling to shift them. When sales start to slow, we'll no doubt start seeing them appear as £250 with a game bundles and eventually £200 with a couple of old games etc.
 
The price is something I can see them taking advantage of to start with, 2 million units will go relatively quickly worldwide so they're not going to be in a position of struggling to shift them. When sales start to slow, we'll no doubt start seeing them appear as £250 with a game bundles and eventually £200 with a couple of old games etc.

Going to sit the launch out myself, wait for reviews and more games. Mario and Zelda make a purchase inevitable at some point
 
For the record, putting a line or spec or statement or whatever with a * next to it, means at the end you put another * and write something to add to the number.

Or you write "2" controllers, to indicate that you realise the 2 is I'm not even sure of the write word for it, to highlight you think it's dodgy.

2*, means almost nothing, in fact it made me think that you meant 2 times, like you get the controllers AND you have the grip as well which is like a second controller. It didn't at all indicate to me you meant 1 controller.

AS for cost, one small chips cost less, that is just a basic thing, two mobile chips compete in a market that is more about commodity pricing than general pricing. Qualcomm, Samsung, whoever, sell these chips at close to cost because the profit is in the device, not the chip. So it's more about securing enough chips than anything else, hence commodity. Mobile chips became very cheap due to competition and volume being sold. The majority of mobile chips are between 80-120mm^2 now, the console chips are around 360-380mm^2, due to decreasing yields that means they cost 4-5 times as much in general, which fits with $20 vs $100 chips.

You also aren't really paying $100 more just to get access to Nintendo, the point of selling consoles is to bring people in to buy Nintendo software, not to charge a premium to access their software. It's why console hardware has historically always been subsidised because there is say 10x more profit from the software vs hardware for the console maker.

You get a cheap console then pay 2-3 times for software over what it would cost on the PC, that is the concept of consoles. Give them cheap hardware, lock them to you and charge more for software.

The Switch's biggest failing is the extra cost in the controller. Arms doesn't need motion control, it's an option, 95% of players won't use it. 99% of games on the Switch can't use motion control because they have to work in handheld mode, why make the controllers $80 with fancy motion control stuff in, when 99% of gaming on the console will absolutely not be motion control. Then for launch basically only 1,2, Switch uses motion control, and it costs $50(for demo software that shouldn't be more than $2 total).

They could have done no motion control, not bothered with 1,2 Switch, saved $50 on the controller, launched the Switch at $250 and it would mean buying an extra controller for more people to play costs $30 instead of $80.

Right there, removing the almost entirely unused motion control, would make Switch dramatically more viable cost wise. Horrendous decision to include motion control when the market over the past what 7-8 years of kinect, Wii, PS Move has flat out rejected motion control, to add it to a handheld also console that can't possibly use it as a primary control method in almost any game.

I am busy so I will keep this short.

I did not go into he explanation of the * with regards to the 2 because I thought we have an understanding, as a group of intelligent people, of knowing what I meant. I gave the benefit of the doubt. You clearly know what I mean, but it seems you didn't give me the benefit of the doubt in return.

I didn't think it warranty an explanation because it was a waste of time. I left the * in there because if I had just put 2, I knew there will be someone like you would pick up on it and do the same rant. Thinking putting the * in there would pre empt that without typing all this out. I was wrong...clearly.

As for the price. Who knows how much motion control costs. We all know they had it in the Wii and we all know that sold well. So it is logical that they want to recapture that crowd again so is it illogical to kept that in?
 
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I'm happy with the price of the console and have one pre-ordered. The £60 they're charging for each game is a real issue though. I'm just about OK paying that for something like Zelda BOTW or Mario Odyssey but there isn't much else I'd be willing to outlay that kind of money for. I mean £60 for bomberman.... seriously?

I'm really hoping the £60 tags are just placeholders and the price drop to around £40-50 as normal by the time it's out. Ideally they need a cheaper tier of games at £20-30 for things like Bomberman, Sonic Mania and Streetfighter 2 ultra. Or maybe offer them for less via an online store.
 
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I'm fine with the console price, the RRP of the games is an issues, I remember Nintendo trying this price point on with the original NES many moons ago and there being uproar.

Am hoping they are more sensibly priced by retailers nearer the launch.
 
There proberly charging £60 for switch games because they are on memory cards,instead of dvds or blueray.

Surely memory cards will add to the cost.
 
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