Ubisoft - How much longer can they get away with this 'downgrading'?

Not only were the graphics downgraded but by the looks of it, the structure of the game was changed drastically too, not to mention the entire map...

Not sure how on earth you can say

When the video above shows 2 very different games...



Consoles!

UBI have constantly gone on about wanting all platforms to be evenly matched for graphics, heck remember that time they came out and said that 30 fps was better because it was more cinematic, that says it all lol... Not only that but their constant derogatory comments about the PC gamer base are a joke, in their minds, they think we are all pirates.
I never pre-order and if a game has been substantially downgraded then I won't buy it, ubi are the worst for this:




Yes the division looks amazing and is a great game but it WAS downgraded:

Not only were the graphics downgraded but by the looks of it, the structure of the game was changed drastically too, not to mention the entire map...


Not sure how on earth you can say



When the video above shows 2 very different games...

Here's an insider secret for you. Game development is not a waterfall style process. The design changes constantly throughout the process, for lots of different reasons.

If you can't grasp that simple concept....sucks to be you I guess. Most people have better things to do with their time than pore over years old trailers trying to find differences to whine about.[/QUOTE]
 
Here's an insider secret for you. Game development is not a waterfall style process. The design changes constantly throughout the process, for lots of different reasons.

If you can't grasp that simple concept....sucks to be you I guess. Most people have better things to do with their time than pore over years old trailers trying to find differences to whine about.

IDK getting 7 million views on youtube is worth a bit.

I can only speak for Rainbow six as I didnt really play any of the others from the video but constantly changing or not that's a hell of a difference in design for the game.
 
Thats old news, though. the whole 30fps thing was happening when Watch Dogs was released and they've not been back there since.

And what if they dont know? They either show you want they want to build or they show you something more representative of want they really have at the time, which given that e3 trailer was 5 years ago wouldnt have been a whole lot... I just dont see the harm in it. if people want to go preorder based off such things when the game is still (at that point) 3 years away then more fool them.

I think the fact you can preorder games before they are finished is irrelevant anyway. We have a choice and we can choose not to - i didnt. in fact i wasnt even interested in the game until it was released.
Doesn't matter if it is old news, the fact that they even said that in the first place says it all.

Show me "something more representative of what they really have at the time" any day of the week over what their "vision" is, as shown, they never achieve their "vision" in terms of graphics and some gameplay mechanics so there is no point showing it in the first place.

Show me what you got at said time and as time goes on, show me what they have added and improved since the last trailer rather than showing me what they have removed/downgraded...

I don't really care anywhere as much as what I use to about things like this, especially over the last 1-2 years as I and most of the PC base are used to the downgrades as well as generally poor day/week 1 releases i.e. broken, crap performance etc.

Regardless of false advertising, I will never pre-order anyway and given most of the last year or 2 of PC releases, I think the PC player base are starting to learn that you in fact get nothing from pre-ordering other than a few pounds of said game and some gimmicky DLC/clothing/weapon crap.

Here's an insider secret for you. Game development is not a waterfall style process. The design changes constantly throughout the process, for lots of different reasons.

If you can't grasp that simple concept....sucks to be you I guess. Most people have better things to do with their time than pore over years old trailers trying to find differences to whine about.

That may be the case but given all of ubi's statements, it is pretty obvious what the biggest reason for downgrades is...

Took me less than a minute to find and link those trailers on here and I don't know about your eye sight but to me, I don't even need to look too hard to be able to see the differences between e3 and final version...

Are you going to address your point about how the division supposedly wasn't downgraded at all? Even though the video above shows a very different game...

all the 'downgrade' and 'bullshot' hysterics proved to be just plain false.

But hey, you work for ubi so it's not like you are going to say anything negative about them but instead will bash the likes of rockstar for working on the same franchise and shark cards... :D
 
Doesn't matter if it is old news, the fact that they even said that in the first place says it all.

Sure it does. you cant pre-judge everything they do based on something they said years ago, it's a waste of time.

Show me "something more representative of what they really have at the time" any day of the week over what their "vision" is, as shown, they never achieve their "vision" in terms of graphics and some gameplay mechanics so there is no point showing it in the first place.

really? Did you ever manage to go out of bounds in The division and visit cetral park? 3 years ago that's what most of the game would have been like.

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It would be absolutely pointless to show footage of an agent running around areas where even the floor is missing. It tells you less than showing you what they want the game to look like.

It's like me saying hey i'm making a bomberman clone but it's nowhere near done so heres a bomberman standing on battle map 1 from bomberman 2

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^^ What can you do with that? It doesn't tell you what the game will be like when i'm done. It doesn't tell you much of anything. It's just not very useful is it?
 
Never bother with any game that requires a different platform to STEAM these days, plenty to keep me occupied there instead of filling the pockets of EA and UBI with the same crap they come out with every year.
 
Took me less than a minute to find and link those trailers on here and I don't know about your eye sight but to me, I don't even need to look too hard to be able to see the differences between e3 and final version...

Are you going to address your point about how the division supposedly wasn't downgraded at all?

But hey, you work for ubi so it's not like you are going to say anything negative about them but instead will bash the likes of rockstar for working on the same franchise and shark cards... :D

Yes there are differences between a trailer released in 2013 and the final game that came out two years later. Frankly it would be absolutely astonishing if there *weren't* differences and I really struggle to comprehend the thought processes of someone that gets their panties in a twist about such a thing.

It's a bit sad that you think being employed by company means you shouldn't criticise them. Most people have a bit more self-respect than that, I'm not going to pretend that The Division isn't a mind-numbing grindfest after 30 and For Honor's matchmaking isn't utter balls right now.

With the many alpha and close/open beta phases these days there really is no excuse for anyone claiming they've been misled. By all means continue your OMG UBIDOWNGRADE circlejerks if that's what makes you happy but don't expect anyone to listen.
 
Sure it does. you cant pre-judge everything they do based on something they said years ago, it's a waste of time.

really? Did you ever manage to go out of bounds in The division and visit cetral park? 3 years ago that's what most of the game would have been like.

It would be absolutely pointless to show footage of an agent running around areas where even the floor is missing. It tells you less than showing you what they want the game to look like.

It's like me saying hey i'm making a bomberman clone but it's nowhere near done so heres a bomberman standing on battle map 1 from bomberman 2

^^ What can you do with that? It doesn't tell you what the game will be like when i'm done. It doesn't tell you much of anything. It's just not very useful is it?

Except they said it, they meant it... The only reason they retracted that comment was because of the massive back lash, which they got from the PC community. If they didn't mean it then why even say it in the first place? Seems odd to say something if you don't really believe/mean it...

Bit of an exaggeration that... Of course a large chunk of the map/textures etc. would have been missing but it is pretty obvious that they crammed as much as what they could into that small play area purely for trailer purposes.

If other developers/publishers can show exactly what a game will look like 2+ years before final release without doing any downgrades then why can't ubisoft?

In fact, didn't ubisoft even release a quote saying that they have learnt from watch dogs and initial e3 trailers i.e. that they would only release trailers that represented what the final game was going to be/look like??? If so, then that further shows that they CAN release a trailer showing what the final version will more or less look like...

If they can't manage to release an accurate trailer for the final game then it is pretty simple... you wait until you can show something that will be an accurate reflection of the final game, if that means no trailers until a year, heck even 4 months before release, then so be it.

Yes there are differences between a trailer released in 2013 and the final game that came out two years later. Frankly it would be absolutely astonishing if there *weren't* differences and I really struggle to comprehend the thought processes of someone that gets their panties in a twist about such a thing.

It's a bit sad that you think being employed by company means you shouldn't criticise them. Most people have a bit more self-respect than that, I'm not going to pretend that The Division isn't a mind-numbing grindfest after 30 and For Honor's matchmaking isn't utter balls right now.

With the many alpha and close/open beta phases these days there really is no excuse for anyone claiming they've been misled. By all means continue your OMG UBIDOWNGRADE circlejerks if that's what makes you happy but don't expect anyone to listen.

As above, care to explain to us why other developers can manage to release an accurate trailer of what the final version of their game will look like yet ubi can't?

And yup because the "countless" articles out there as well as the countless forums with countless threads of hundreds of posts is all just a circle jerk, right? Oh and for that ubi downgrade video:

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And that is just one of the many videos about ubi's downgrades.

Yup, no one cares or wants to know... :D

As I said, I don't care any more as I never pre-order and never buy ubi games anyway (with the rare exception).

I never feel mislead because I'm not one of these sheep who has to pre-order for the sake of it, I wait for reviews, feedback on forums and youtube video reviews.

I just find it sad and pathetic that game companies have to resort to such levels in order to generate any hype/interest for their games.
 
james.miller said:
really? Did you ever manage to go out of bounds in The division and visit central park? 3 years ago that's what most of the game would have been like.

It would be absolutely pointless to show footage of an agent running around areas where even the floor is missing. It tells you less than showing you what they want the game to look like.
Bit of an exaggeration that... Of course a large chunk of the map/textures etc. would have been missing but it is pretty obvious that they crammed as much as what they could into that small play area purely for trailer purposes.
How is it an exaggeration then?

and of course it's obvious they crammed a small area, that was the point of the trailer ...
 
You're not doing a very good impression of someone that doesn't care.

It's really not quite right how emotionally invested you are in this downgrade meme.
 
How is it an exaggeration then?

and of course it's obvious they crammed a small area, that was the point of the trailer ...

In the sense that I don't expect any game company to have their game looking like that for a "trailer" unless it is a behind the scenes type of video...

Again, it is all very simple:

- you hold of on trailers until you can show an accurate description of said game

Other companies can do it, so why can't ubi?

You're not doing a very good impression of someone that doesn't care.

It's really not quite right how emotionally invested you are in this downgrade meme.

Like I said, I just find it pathetic how ubi and some other developers have to lie initially about their games in order to generate interest/hype for said games in the first place :D It just goes to show, all style and no substance at the end of the day. Thankfully when said companies **** up, they get dragged through the mud for it i.e. no mans sky, mafia 3, watch dogs etc.


PS.

Still waiting for an answer on why you think all the claims about division being downgraded were false...

Also waiting for an answer on why some other developer companies can show an accurate version of their final game 2+ years before release yet ubi can't...

Are ubi's game developers/PR team really that incompetent or/and is it done on purpose for the above reasons and to cash in on early pre-orders...
 
In the sense that I don't expect any game company to have their game looking like that for a "trailer" unless it is a behind the scenes type of video...

Well, no they wont. That's the point; The trailer represents what they want to achieve, not where they are with the game at that point in time. This is going round in circles now.

Again, it is all very simple:

- you hold of on trailers until you can show an accurate description of said game

Other companies can do it, so why can't ubi?

Like microsoft did with forza 5. Wait no. CDPR and The Witch...no.

hmmm. dark souls 2? no?

Also waiting for an answer on why some other developer companies can show an accurate version of their final game 2+ years before release yet ubi can't...

Are ubi's game developers/PR team really that incompetent or/and is it done on purpose for the above reasons and to cash in on early pre-orders...

I don't know why you are so fixated on that but clearly ubi aren't the only ones who have had to lower the expectations after releasing E3 trailers....
 
In the sense that I don't expect any game company to have their game looking like that for a "trailer" unless it is a behind the scenes type of video...

Again, it is all very simple:

- you hold of on trailers until you can show an accurate description of said game

Other companies can do it, so why can't ubi?



Like I said, I just find it pathetic how ubi and some other developers have to lie initially about their games in order to generate interest/hype for said games in the first place :D It just goes to show, all style and no substance at the end of the day. Thankfully when said companies **** up, they get dragged through the mud for it i.e. no mans sky, mafia 3, watch dogs etc.


PS.

Still waiting for an answer on why you think all the claims about division being downgraded were false...

Also waiting for an answer on why some other developer companies can show an accurate version of their final game 2+ years before release yet ubi can't...

Are ubi's game developers/PR team really that incompetent or/and is it done on purpose for the above reasons and to cash in on early pre-orders...

I'm afraid you really overestimate the weight given to the opinions of bored kids that have nothing better to do than engage in online circlejerks about differences in expo trailers.

The vast majority of people are capable of making their own decisions about which games they buy. They also not so stupid/naive to think that a game won't change over the course of several years development. I think most people would rather see some actual gameplay rather than CGI trailers or simply nothing at all.

Of course people have the option to play open betas and try the game for themselves before purchase. You can try that next time you never purchase Ubisoft games except when you do purchase them, to avoid any disappointment and tears.
 
Well, no they wont. That's the point; The trailer represents what they want to achieve, not where they are with the game at that point in time. This is going round in circles now.

Like microsoft did with forza 5. Wait no. CDPR and The Witch...no.

hmmm. dark souls 2? no?

I don't know why you are so fixated on that but clear ubi aren't the only who have had to lower the expectations after releasing E3 trailers....

Then what is the point of showing what they want to achieve knowing fine well that they won't as they have never achieved their vision in any game. The only reason they do it is to generate hype/interest and cash in on quick pre-orders.

As mynight said, it's not as if it is like a small downgrade, it is a massive downgrade...

Of course there are other game companies that do downgrades too (I believe I have mentioned them plenty of times especially for the witcher 3), however, this thread is about ubi and afaic and by the looks of it, the vast majority believe that ubi are the worst offenders for this.

There are plenty of developer companies that don't i.e. I don't think any of EA/DICE's games have had downgrades, likewise with R*, Bethesda, blizzard and rocksteady games...

If they can show accurate trailers of said games then all those other companies can. As simple as that.

I'm afraid you really overestimate the weight given to the opinions of bored kids that have nothing better to do than engage in online circlejerks about differences in expo trailers.

The vast majority of people are capable of making their own decisions about which games they buy. They also not so stupid/naive to think that a game won't change over the course of several years development. I think most people would rather see some actual gameplay rather than CGI trailers or simply nothing at all.

Of course people have the option to play open betas and try the game for themselves before purchase. You can try that next time you never purchase Ubisoft games except when you do purchase them, to avoid any disappointment and tears.

Yup 7+ million views on JUST one video is a tiny amount :p I believe that is more views than most of ubi's game sales figures :o

Do I need to link the massive reddit and forums threads too? :D

Meanwhile watch as rockstar continue to roll in the money over just "one" title, maybe some day ubi will achieve the same success...

And yes, I play all the alpha and betas and give my feedback each time via the surveys.

Ghost recon wildlands is just laughable...

4 years in the making and the game is due in less than a month?

Wtf have you guys been doing in 4 years? I haven't played a game as buggy as it in a long time, not to mention the optimisation is abysmal. It is not like the game is unique either, it is just far cry 3 with a bigger map, more advanced mechanics with regards to weapon loadouts, character customisation etc.

I hope for ubi's sake that the closed beta was a very old build of the game...

Also, here's a thought, rather than putting all the time and effort into 1-2 areas purely for e3 "trailers", use that time and money for the rest of the final game...

Oh and the vast majority of people are capable of making their own decisions, look at no mans sky... Thank god for steams refund system where valve keep their cut thus developer/publisher loses money for when they try to pull cheap tricks like that :D

Why does this hurt you enough to resort to insulting him?

He works for ubi so it is only natural for him to defend the company and his work as well as his fellow employees work.
 
It's fine to defend ubi as far as I care it's fine to call out stupid but do it in a way that actually counters the post rather than referring to circle jerks, kids and tears. It doesn't lend to credibility of not being hurt by the comments.
 
It's fine to defend ubi as far as I care it's fine to call out stupid but do it in a way that actually counters the post rather than referring to circle jerks, kids and tears. It doesn't lend to credibility of not being hurt by the comments.

But the truth hurts!!!! :(

And yup, still waiting for answers to these 2 main questions but instead get the usual drivel of "zOMG kids in a circle jerk" :D

Why you think all the claims about division being downgraded were false...

Why some other developer companies can show an accurate version of their final game 2+ years before release yet ubi can't...

EDIT:

BTW, just skipped through the original division e3 trailer, unless I missed it... I can't see any text at all addressing the state of the footage or that it "could change for the final" release?


I believe this is where ubi have changed their ways now though with the last few years of e3 trailers i.e. they now say or show something about the state.
 
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Of course there are other game companies that do downgrades too (I believe I have mentioned them plenty of times especially for the witcher 3), however, this thread is about ubi and afaic and by the looks of it, the vast majority believe that ubi are the worst offenders for this.
lol, i love that. you keep banging on about how other devs manage it fine yet when you're given examples of devs who didn't suddenly it doesnt matter because the thread's about ubisoft.

Nexus18 said:
BTW, just skipped through the original division e3 trailer, unless I missed it... I can't see any text at all addressing the state of the footage or that it "could change for the final" release?
Jesus, you look desperate.
 
lol, i love that. you keep banging on about how other devs manage it fine yet when you're given examples of devs who didn't suddenly it doesnt matter because the thread's about ubisoft.

Jesus, you look desperate.

Eh yeah... the thread was made about ubi and all the discussion is about ubi... go look in other threads like this (which weren't made just for ubi) as well as the witcher 3 and you will see that I have hammered the witcher 3, no mans sky etc. etc. just as much as ubi's games. The difference is, ubi's downgrades are far worse and it "consistently" happens with all their games...

As for your second excellently well put point... lol, I am bringing these points up yet neither of you 2 are addressing them, always just throwing silly lines like that and "circle jerk, tears" etc. :D

Do you by any chance also work for ubi?

I went back to check that div. trailer more out of curiosity just to see if they had in fact made it clear that this wasn't final footage etc. like what is being "claimed" in here...

EDIT:

Also, whilst I trashed witcher 3 for the downgrade, at least the developers had the courtesy to give explanations for why they downgraded various things.
 
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