Exactly. Try telling that to the usual trolls on this forum though and it will go in one ear and out the other.
Murderer claims rights are being violated after ‘home-made sex change’ in prison
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Exactly. Try telling that to the usual trolls on this forum though and it will go in one ear and out the other.
I never disputed that. The point is more about how it's a bit more complex than "I've castrated myself and feel like woman so call me she".
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I would like to be refered to a Fennec Fox but my DNA shows I am a human not a Fennec Fox. So despite this I cannot identify myself or refer myself as a Fennec Fox.
Well that's your problem. I however respect peoples right to be referred to as whatever gender they self identify with. Doing this harms no one and makes the person in question feel comfortable around people, so why not just respect their wishes.
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What? Who do you think is offended by your lack of sympathy?
The way i see it, no one on this thread sympathises with the inmate...
You still refer to male /female Fennec Foxes as he/she
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TBH i think its as simple as, if you want to be called xxx and it costs no one anything, then why not. If people refuse to call you by what you want, then so be it and ignore it, its cost you nothing regardless.
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Calling myself a girl doesn't mean I'm a girl. Even if I lop my bits off, have breast impants, get surgery, take hormones, genetically I am still male.
You can refer to yourself as whatever you like and ask others to do the same if you wish. It's only you who has decided you don't want to.
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No one here has made a claim that the inmates sex is female though, just that the inmate identifies as female, so your not really arguing a point that anyone has disputed.
The point made by Silver is based on gender identification which is not the same as sex.
I always struggle with "human rights" and convicted criminals. To be there you've committed a crime against another human being, and by doing so, you've caused them stress, fear, loss and maybe loss of life or long lasting damage. If you've done that do you deserve anything above the very basics of human rights?
Similar to the murder suing for £10k because he was beaten up by other criminals while in custody.
Similar to the murder suing for £10k because he was beaten up by other criminals while in custody.
Basically this is my take on it too. If it was not a criminal, but a troubled person out in society I would have sympathy for that persons plight, and actually support them in calling themselves whatever they wished. I can't get the idea of pandering to a murderer in the same way though.
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I agree to an extent but reducing prisoner rights to a bare minimum pretty much ends with other inmates as well as sometimes prison staff/prison owners abusing the more vulnerable. For example, imagine if privately own prisons only required to keep prisoners alive, conditions and facilities would be kept to a minimal. To a standard which no living thing should be subjected to all to save money to maximise the amount made from that prison.
In this specific situation, i dont think the prison is in the wrong. The prisoner has created a situation which the current system is unsuitable to cater for while still being able to deliver the prisoner some of the less essential rights such as education and such. For this reason, the prisoner will have to just prove they are safe over time to get access or continue to be kept separate and away from these facilities.
No it doesn't. What gender a person self identifies with is the gender other people should use when referring to that person.
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Its nothing to do with the testicle cutting. It is solely due to the prisoner identifying as such. Calling them a she and being biologically female are two separate things
No, it can't. It can determine chromosome type. That's not necessarily the same thing. A test for sex would have to be more complicated and becomes suprisingly difficult to define completely accurately. Then there's the problem with sex and gender being treated as the same thing. No biological test is possible for gender because gender isn't biological.
It's a recipe for imprecise language and unclear meanings. If I was Emperor Of The World, I'd just remove gender from language. It's not necessary. Same pronoun for everyone, problem solved. Another approach would be to have different pronouns for different sexes and different pronouns for different genders, but I think that would be pointlessly complex and some people would still find something to be offended about anyway.
I do. They don't regard sex as being something a person can choose by decree. As a result, they object to being expected/coerced/forced into speaking as though it is - they're being expected/coerced/forced into stating support for something they disagree with. Would you regard it as petty if you were expected/coerced/forced into stating support for something you disagree with? Is that costing you nothing?
You could counter-argue that pronouns in English refer to gender rather than to sex, but that's not really true. It's also irrelevant because it's always about the person's sex, not their gender. In this case, for example, the person is saying that they're female, not that they're some specific degree of feminine.
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