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Pap yourself time if you don't like touch.
Good simple cars
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Pap yourself time if you don't like touch.
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I get what OP means. I've thought it myself on occasion.
A straightforward to work on/service engine, easily accessible. Cheap easy to replace/remove trims on the outside. Inside a clean clutter free environment with less stuff to break..
A straightforward to work on/service engine, easily accessible. Cheap easy to replace/remove trims on the outside. Inside a clean clutter free environment with less stuff to break..
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I like simple. Simple is good.
You live in Stoke don't you?
My mates P90 was broken into the other night but the battery was dead so they didn't get away with it.
According to the cops there have been a lot of Landrover thefts in Stoke recently but they don't know why.
Yep same here. You can't operate a touchscreen while keeping your eyes on the road. Physical buttons and dials are much safer because you can use them by feel and by memory.
How does fiddling with a touchscreen interface for the radio differ from changing a song on your mobile phone? If every car has touchscreens, the laws surrounding these things become at best, a bit woolly, at worst, a complete joke.
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I've heard that too. I don't know if it's connected but not too long a go a mate of mine who lives on Trent Valley Road caught a couple of scrotes sniffing around his Defender in the early hours. And when I say 'caught' I mean scared them off with obscenities wearing nothing but a lacy dressing gown.
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That's how I feel.
I can change the settings without looking when not using a touch screen and concentrate on the road. Sure I can some things on my steering wheel, but for example I hate typing on an ipad, give me a keyboard any day of the week.
Very true. As far as I can tell there is no law that specifically targets you messing about on your in car doo dahs while driving yet press a phone to the side of your head and you are the spawn of Satan and you get 6 points.
I can guarantee that calling someone from my phone causes far less distraction than the stupid Ford in car setup on my Focus yet the latter is legal. Not that I even take a call in the car that extends beyond "Hi, I'm driving at the moment. I'll call you back." as my brain can't seem to process it in the background like a conversation with someone sitting next to me.
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I cycle up & down that every day coming off at Collin Road.
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For me that seems to end up being a lot more electronical monitoring and control gubbins that then either breaks and/or throws a hissy fit if you mod in something like a 12v ciggy socket. I can do that on my bike without blinking, but some modern vehicles really do take away all the fun, ease and control of actually using them.
Driving without due care and attention...?
The whole mobile phone law in general is a joke. All they needed to do was use the existing careless driving law, where if your level of driving is obviously being affected by anything, whether it's a phone, a sat nav, infotainment system or whatever then you get a ticket. As it is, I could drive along staring down at my phone for 10 seconds without looking at the road and get exactly the same punishment as if I was driving along with the phone to my ear, looking directly at the road in front of me. One of those things is obviously vastly more dangerous than the other.
There's also no punishment for employers (like mine!) who insist that you take calls whilst driving, and yet refuse to fit a handsfree system to their company cars.
There must be something/someone you can report them for/to because that is ludicrous.
I hope you flatly refuse to do it... Or do you just buy your own handsfree system?
Last company I worked for allowed us to supply hands free kits for employees but we were strictly told never to encourage or recommend using them whilst driving so the company wouldn't become liable if they had an accident.
I don't text or anything but I do answer the phone when driving. The laws here are more strict than England - even handsfree headphones are banned but like many things the laws are completely ignored and virtually everyone uses the phone whilst driving. Whilst I'd prefer to have Bluetooth, in the unlikely event of me being caught I wouldn't get points on my licence so it's not a huge issue. I accept the fact that I'm allowed a lot of freedom with this job which I wouldn't get with most other companies and this is just one of the slight downsides.
As I've said before, I don't regard talking on the phone whilst looking at the road as any more dangerous than the thousands of things people legally do whilst driving. I know that'll make me incredibly popular on here but oh well
Yes... if they can prove it. They can pull the records for a text or a call but they can't prove that you were browsing through your media files looking for your favourite track or fiddling with your ambient light settings. Or maybe they can?!
When I was working for the council I was very happy when they decreed that you weren't to take or make calls while driving on company time. My boss at the time used to try and have a full on meeting with you, expecting you to recall figures, your agenda for the next month and all sorts while trying to drive down the road
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The onus is (probably) on you to refuse the dangerous situation, policy, practice, etc. They cannot make you do this and you can probably take them to a tribunal over it, but I think that would then be a civil matter, not criminal.
Basically, the same as if an employer insisted you do building work without wearing any PPE...
Depends on what they're doing.As I've said before, I don't regard talking on the phone whilst looking at the road as any more dangerous than the thousands of things people legally do whilst driving. I know that'll make me incredibly popular on here but oh well
A lot of people liken it to talking with passengers, but passengers (including driving instructors) can at least see if things are getting a bit close and they need to shut up for a moment while you concentrate. Someone on the other end of the phone cannot. Plus, you don't need to hold a passenger up to your head to talk to them... !!
I'd assume they have eyes and or cameras, so can see you and record you weaving all over the place...
This is just for using, by the way. If you've actually had an accident because of it then I believe it's something like reckless endangerment, or causing XYZ by dangerous driving...
Again, possibly... Certainly they can investigate when a file was last accessed or downloaded, when a forum post was made or a Farcebook/******* status updated, when a selfie was taken, etc...
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Cycling through Trent Vegas, you're a braver man than I.
Oh, I know I could kick up a fuss about it if I wanted to. It's just the fact that there's a lot of other things they could make me do but they don't, so I whilst I mentioned it'd be helpful if they did something about it I didn't want top take it any further.
Depends on what they're doing.
A lot of people liken it to talking with passengers, but passengers (including driving instructors) can at least see if things are getting a bit close and they need to shut up for a moment while you concentrate. Someone on the other end of the phone cannot. Plus, you don't need to hold a passenger up to your head to talk to them... !!
True, although if I need to concentrate I just shut up and start talking again when it's safe to do so. Anybody who calls me can hear I'm driving so it's never an issue.
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My employer has banned the using mobile phones when in car on business...including the use of built in or aftermarket hands free kits.
Personally I try to avoid being on the phone hands free unless it is really necessary to call someone, but yeah when driving on business we aren't allowed to use it at all.
Ya know, I thought we were talking about stuff like this.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/list/40/p6/
I will probably get one of these one day.
(Very little effort can put the old V8 to well over 300 BHP)
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/list/40/p6/
I will probably get one of these one day.
(Very little effort can put the old V8 to well over 300 BHP)
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What? Takes a hell of a lot to get a real 300bhp out of a 3.5... and it won't be a road engine. You can do it with a 4.6, but even then it'll require a fair amount of work and not be hugely happy about it. Best to just jump straight to an American V8.