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I'd argue that we should be doing both. It's not like they're mutually exclusive.
How many halal chicken shops does a high street need?
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I'd argue that we should be doing both. It's not like they're mutually exclusive.
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Halal should be banned as it's a very sick and twisted practice, It has no place in the western world or even the 21st century.
I assume you're satisfied that the rest of the meat industry confers no suffering at all up until the moment of slaughter?
That seems like something of an argument of perfection. Someone says something is bad, a critic responds that the alternative is not perfect. I'm a vegetarian so I'm against all of it really, but I find it hard to believe that slitting the throat and allowing the animal to bleed to death has not been improved upon. And animal welfare guidelines and laws backed me up on that. The only reason such laws and guidelines were backtracked from was because of the sizeable Islamic lobby.
The irony being that the halal manner of killing animals was designed to reduce the suffering of animals (with such prohibitions as the animals must not witness each other being slaughtered) but are now holding proper treatment back by turning it from a best-available practice at the time to a religious doctrine.
Seriously, look at the argument you just used: don't ban this bad thing because perfection is unobtainable. That's a flawed argument and you know it.
I know it is, but it's extremely hypocritical when the rest of the meat industry is so far from good, never mind perfection, and you as a vegetarian know that.
I've been laughed at for saying in not many years to come farming will be extinct as we know it today on the scale at have today. But I really believe and hope this is the future. Especially as the population balloons. I for one wouldn't be sad to see farming of animals gone into the obsolete pile
I do. But (though it puzzles some people), being a vegetarian and being good at logic are things that can be combined and your argument was flawed. Furthermore, I DO call out Halal as something abnormally worse because it explicitly sets unsupportable beliefs above animal welfare. The meat industry has many flaws but nowhere else is a decision made that sends the message: "we could make this less cruel but religious belief justifies suffering".
Perhaps you are arguing your position because you think criticism of Halal meat is motivated by prejudice and therefore it is a good thing to take on critics of it. But Halal meat is above and beyond the rest of the wrongs because it supports the principle of someone's arbitrary religious preference trumping laws protecting others. Whether or not a critic of Halal meat has wider prejudices, when someone you dislike says 2+2=4, it only weakens your own position to argue that it doesn't.
As a vegetarian, I am more than capable of being both against meat consumption generally, but also against Halal meat as even worse. And if the latter has reasons specific to it that I can challenge (and it does), I will firstly use those as they are convincing not simply to people who are already against meat eating, but against Halal. I don't generally lecture people about what they should eat (that's vegans
) and I don't expect the Great British Public to suddenly give up meat. However, I can argue against our country killing the animals they eat in a barbaric way for the sake of some archaic religious beliefs. There's something peculiarly offensive about that to me. Even non-vegetarians are generally against killing the animals they eat in unnecessarily cruel ways.Artificially grown meat will hopefully take its place eventually. Then only hipsters will be left to eat "artisinal cow beef" and claim they can taste the difference. I don't know what muslims and jews will do though, as the meat has no throat to slit. Maybe they'll rule it as a type of mushroom!
I think halal is a soft target chosen by people who are prepared to look the other way on myriad other issues. I'm not saying it's fine, just that it's extremely selective for people to have a problem with it while never saying a word about the rest of the meat industry. It's all bad, and complaining about halal is picking at the speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own.
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Can we build more safe crossing on our roads and motorways for animals then please?
Finally somewhere we can come together as one and do some good in the world! Yes! *fist bump*
Halal? Or non stunned version of Halal? As the stats posted above show only a small proportion of halal meat is not stunned.
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Having seen it, Halal in general should be banned as it has no place in the western world, It's sick and anyone who actively takes part in it is disturbed.
Lol Billions of people disturbed? Look in the mirror maybe....
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Why should I look in the mirror ? I'm not the one slitting an animals throat and watching it bleed to death, It's a psychotic medieval practice that should be outlawed, Anyone who promotes this sickness needs to go see a therapist.
This barbaric religious bull has no place in the modern world.
Was the quickest way to kill animals back in the day, usually in this country most halal meat is done via some form of stunning so what's barbaric about that, the prayer?
In other countries it's the quickest and cheapest way to kill them.
They're not going to get stunning technology in some village of a poor muslim country.
Grow up and be realistic.
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Most Halal meat and UK non Halal meat is slaughtered in the same way, minus the prayer. Stunned, then artery cut to bleed them out with the heart still beating.
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I am grown up thank you for the needlessly condescending comment but as this is about the western/1st world and not some islamic hole your comment is pointless and yes I do find prayer offensive as I'm not a fan of any religion, All religion is, Is fairy tales that have caused nothing but mass murder and countless atrocities with the worst yet to come.
I'll say no more as it's pretty pointless on a forum.
It's a free market, if you want to open up a Bank then feel free so. Being a Pimp i'm planning on opening up a few 'massage' parlours myself.
Well with your theatrical comments about people being mentally disturbed as they eat halal it's justified.
Offensive to you then ignore it, who's stuffing it down your throat?
Say what you want on or off forum big boy.