NEW Titan Pascal (full 3840 shaders) just announced!

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:10

TheRealDeal said:
Yep i just assumed with the 1080ti being cut down that's what they had done. Same SMU's but cut down Bus and Rop's. Still my point stands there was no new part for Maxwell unlike here which is my main point.

And my point still stands that NVidia could have rolled out a fully enabled 980 Ti variant just like they did with the 780 Ti on Kepler.

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:13

Kaapstad said:
And my point still stands that NVidia could have rolled out a fully enabled 980 Ti variant just like they did with the 780 Ti on Kepler.

They could have but they love the Titan brand and that would kill it off completely. Titan Black had double the memory of the 780ti which still gave it a selling point. Bring out a fully enabled 1080ti and there goes your Titan brand. This way Titan still has a place.

orbitalwalsh · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:14

D.P. said:
Unlikely. This card wont get many sales full stop, regardless of what Vega is, let alone a lo of the people buying at the high end will be well aware of vega. This card is for marketing purposes and to rub more dirt in to AMD.

think of it from AIB, also a rub in their faces yet again, 1070/80 FE out the door by Nvidia first, Ti left late for AIB models and now this, which would eat at sales in the likes of Poseidon, Waterforce, Amp Extreme water something of other, EVGA Copper slab block etc.....

D.P. · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:15

TheRealDeal said:
Why are you assuming that Nvidia can just magically release a chip that's not ready for full on manufacturing. Nvidia are not magician's .

Volta is ready, but the fabrication process isn't. The original Volta designed would have needed a 10nm processes, but Nvidia have officially announced releases of Volta cores on 12nm TSMC with mass available Q3 this year for the driver PX units.Driver PX uses a GPU core at about the 1060 level, so mid sized Volta chips may not be that far away but a lot will depend exactly what Nvidia wants with Volta for Gaming. Volta has mostly been discussed in terms of HPC, deep learning and autonomous cars. Volta could be quite segregated with a very different gaming chip. Pascal already separated out the GP100 for HPC use. There could be a simpler Volta for gaming built on TSMC 12nm by the end of the year, of a more complex design on 10nm next year.

Radox-0 · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:15

TheRealDeal said:
Yea was 10Gbps. The new chips are 11.4Gbps.

I imagine if its anything like the Ti's where a fair few can do 12 Ghz on the memory, combine with the higher cuda count, should be a tasty card!

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:17

TheRealDeal said:
Why are you assuming that Nvidia can just magically release a chip that's not ready for full on manufacturing. Nvidia are not magician's .

Do a google search for a likely Volta launch and you will find 2017 has often be quoted in the past, the point is NVidia are under no pressure to launch it as they are doing very well on Pascal.

If AMD had given NVidia stronger competition in the last couple of years we would all be looking to upgrade to Volta about now.

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:18

D.P. said:
Volta is ready, but the fabrication process isn't. The original Volta designed would have needed a 10nm processes, but Nvidia have officially announced releases of Volta cores on 12nm TSMC with mass available Q3 this year for the driver PX units.Driver PX uses a GPU core at about the 160 level, so mid sized Volta chips may not be that far away but a lot will depend exactly what Nvidia wants with Volta for Gaming. Volta has mostly been discussed in terms of HPC, deep learning and autonomous cars. Volta could be quite segregated with a very different gaming chip. Pascal already separated out the GP100 for HPC use. There could be a simpler Volta for gaming built on TSMC 12nm by the end of the year, of a more complex design on 10nm next year.

Yea i can agree with that. It's not like they could start releasing now due to things out of there control. The new Titan basically completes the Pascal lineup unless they bring out higher clocked refreshes on 16nm.

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:20

Kaapstad said:
Do a google search for a likely Volta launch and you will find 2017 has often be quoted in the past, the point is NVidia are under no pressure to launch it as they are doing very well on Pascal.

If AMD had given NVidia stronger competition in the last couple of years we would all be looking to upgrade to Volta about now.

I have never seen it touted for release at this point in 2017. End of the year maybe but not now. You make it sound simple but it's not. Nvidia really haven't been under much pressure for awhile now but they release when ready and not because they are forced to.

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:21

TheRealDeal said:
They could have but they love the Titan brand and that would kill it off completely. Titan Black had double the memory of the 780ti which still gave it a selling point. Bring out a fully enabled 1080ti and there goes your Titan brand. This way Titan still has a place.

Not even NVidia are expecting to sell a lot of the new Titans in light of the 1080 Ti launch.

If you check out their website you are free to buy as many as you like unlike with the original Pascal Titan where buyers were limited to 2 per household.

Gregster · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:23

Anyone who buys one of these will be golden in games for a long while, so fair play to them. I wouldn't say no to one if I had the spare cash but I don't, so I will say no

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:25

Kaapstad said:
Not even NVidia are expecting to sell a lot of the new Titans in light of the 1080 Ti launch.

If you check out their website you are free to buy as many as you like unlike with the original Pascal Titan where buyers were limited to 2 per household.

That was back when manufacturing them would have seen yield much lower than today. It's always the same with new chips and availability. Demand would have been much higher and stock much lower. Nvidia have worked hard to create the Titan brand and it's superiority. They ain't about to jeopardise that with a fully enabled Ti seeing as the new Titan won't really be that much faster than there cut down Ti yet it's still superior. Titan is there top card and they will want to keep it that way and it's exactly what they are doing.

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:26

Gregster said:
Anyone who buys one of these will be golden in games for a long while, so fair play to them. I wouldn't say no to one if I had the spare cash but I don't, so I will say no

And the new 1080 Ti waterblocks will fit them.

whyscotty · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:28

Gregster said:
Anyone who buys one of these will be golden in games for a long while, so fair play to them. I wouldn't say no to one if I had the spare cash but I don't, so I will say no

I believe you

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:32

TheRealDeal said:
That was back when manufacturing them would have seen yield much lower than today. It's always the same with new chips and availability. Demand would have been much higher and stock much lower. Nvidia have worked hard to create the Titan brand and it's superiority. They ain't about to jeopardise that with a fully enabled Ti seeing as the new Titan would really be that much faster. Titan is there top card and they will want to keep it that way and it's exactly what they are doing.

So you are talking about yesterday as the old Pascal Titan has always been restricted to 2 per household right up until today and the launch of the new card.

As to the Titan brand, it has done it's job for the Pascal architecture and that was back in August 2016 when it was worth buying one for the extra performance. The Titan brand will grab a load of sales again but not until Volta launches.

We all know what the score is with the Titan brand, buy it at launch time or wait a while for the Ti cards.

Gregster · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:35

Kaapstad said:
And the new 1080 Ti waterblocks will fit them.

Result!

whyscotty said:
I believe you

I had to get the Mrs to buy my screen for me, that is how broke I am

RSR · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:35

So who is going to buy 4 of them just to benchmark them?

SiDeards73 · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:36

Gregster said:
Anyone who buys one of these will be golden in games for a long while, so fair play to them. I wouldn't say no to one if I had the spare cash but I don't, so I will say no

Fairly certain people just said that about the 1080ti?

DRSEire · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:38

Bought a Titan X early. Have some spare cash here but will not be buying this one.(i think)

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:38

Kaapstad said:
So you are talking about yesterday as the old Pascal Titan has always been restricted to 2 per household right up until today and the launch of the new card.

As to the Titan brand, it has done it's job for the Pascal architecture and that was back in August 2016 when it was worth buying one for the extra performance. The Titan brand will grab a load of sales again but not until Volta launches.

We all know what the score is with the Titan brand, buy it at launch time or wait a while for the Ti cards.

Well yea but it's now an established part of Nvidia's brand and i just think they won't ever release a higher specced Ti to keep it as a premium part. Any how Nvidia have brought there biggest gun to the table. Now to see what AMD can do about it.

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:41

DRSEire said:
Bought a Titan X early. Have some spare cash here but will not be buying this one.(i think)

I can not get excited about this new one as once you take into account a bit of thermal throttling we are looking at just 4% or 5% extra performance.