Shots fired outside parliament - Please refrain from speculative and antagonistic posts

Don't mis-quote me, I said significant number of innocent people, I then provided a link showing 10 children were killed in a drone strike. That's a significant number of innocent people as far as I'm concerned and that's from just ONE bomb strike

But hey, you carry on living in your LaLa Land where westerners are near prefect and hardly ever kill innocent people abroad :rolleyes:


Civilian deaths from US-led airstrikes hit record high under Donald Trump
Almost 1,000 civilian non-combatant deaths have already been alleged from coalition actions across Iraq and Syria in March - a record claim," the statement said. "These reported casualty levels are comparable with some of the worst periods of Russian activity in Syria."
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It's a warzone, C.R.A.Z.Y, you really think there aren't going to be civilian casualties? Clearly the west does its best to avoid civilian casualties, almost to the point of hamstringing itself. But in C.R.A.Z.Yland we’re expected to help in a war without causing a single death, and if we do accidently kill people then we should expect a backlash from Muslim citizens in the UK.

If it were up to me there would be zero intervention in the ME, it's just not worth the trouble. Quarantine the whole area until it gets its house in order.
 
The RAF say they have killed 0 civilians in their airstrikes, while I doubt it's zero personally, I bet it's a very very small amount. Most come from Russia and the Syrian government bombing their own people, not Western airstrikes. We learned long ago that you don't win over a civilian population by bombing them.
 
If I were being terrorised by something as horrific as ISIS, and the people trying to help accidently killed someone I care about in the middle of a chaotic war I’d be angry and upset, but I’d still blame ISIS and certainly wouldn’t suddenly join them as a result.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Who said the guy was motivated by that bombing?

It was a statement about perspective and the media.

That although tragic this nutter killed 4 people, it has received loads of media coverage and sparked a massive response, while other atrocities seem conveniently missed by the mass media and general public.

In no way does it disrespect the deaths of these victims, nor have anything to do with justification of the actions of terrorists.
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Honestly the bigger question would be how would this incident have been treated if it was a bunch of Russian planes attacking a target in Syria for the Syrian Government. There would have been much greater uproar about it almost certainly. Just look at the coverage of Aleppo vs Mosul (more civilians have died in the latest assault on Mosul than the latest assault on Aleppo).
 
Roar87 said:
The RAF say they have killed 0 civilians in their airstrikes, while I doubt it's zero personally, I bet it's a very very small amount. Most come from Russia and the Syrian government bombing their own people, not Western airstrikes. We learned long ago that you don't win over a civilian population by bombing them.
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I think you'll find the US are a bit more gung ho, which is why people were talking about deaths by US planes in Iraq. ;)
 
Mother of Khalid Masood releases statement:

I do not condone his [Masood’s] actions nor support the beliefs he held that led to him committing this atrocity.

I am so deeply shocked, saddened and numbed by the actions my son has taken that have killed and injured innocent people in Westminster. Since discovering that it was my son that was responsible I have shed many tears for the people caught up in this horrendous incident.

I wish to make it absolutely clear, so there can be no doubt, I do not condone his actions nor support the beliefs he held that led to him committing this atrocity. I wish to thank my friends, family and community from the bottom of my heart for the love and support given to us.
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Source = https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/27/westminster-attacker-khalid-masood-not-directed-by-isis-met-police
 
I think the car hit her and knocked her over the edge? Very sad. Her boyfriend was planning to propose later that day too. :(
 
Please excuse the link to the Sun but the Times is behind a paywall. This story was just discussed on LBC radio. It seems Khalid Masood was a key contact at the Luton mosque. LBC also said he had a role as someone providing education about Islam to a number of public offices. I'd suggest the Luton mosque should be investigated urgently.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ms-against-the-jews-and-enemies-of-islam/amp/
 
One of the mosques Tommy Robinson has been critical against for years, as much as many dislike the man he was more aware than most and predicted these things would happen from his home town.
 
How could this be? Surely mainstream mosques, Student Islamic societies etc..etc.. should be completely against fundamentalist Islam, I mean it is only a tiny minority so we're told.
 
Ayahuasca said:
One of the mosques Tommy Robinson has been critical against for years, as much as many dislike the man he was more aware than most and predicted these things would happen from his home town.
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Hades said:
Please excuse the link to the Sun but the Times is behind a paywall. This story was just discussed on LBC radio. It seems Khalid Masood was a key contact at the Luton mosque. LBC also said he had a role as someone providing education about Islam to a number of public offices. I'd suggest the Luton mosque should be investigated urgently.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ms-against-the-jews-and-enemies-of-islam/amp/
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And there is one of the reasons why you shouldn't believe the mainstream media.
Being from Luton and being very aware of that mosque I can assure you that he had nothing to do with that mosque or even worshipped there.

In fact most of the Luton community I have spoken to have barely even heard of the guy.
 
Jokester said:
Hmm.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123
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He's not barelvi - but a deobandi - Unlike what that article claims. Article is flawed from the outset.

Either way both were sects supported by the British Empire to help divide and conquer India - they've been loyal to the british for centuries (even against their own kind!)

Don't worry - one mans support for a political murder does not mean other muslims support what happened. - I for one couldn't care less about the guy.
 
skaif said:
And there is one of the reasons why you shouldn't believe the mainstream media.
Being from Luton and being very aware of that mosque I can assure you that he had nothing to do with that mosque or even worshipped there.

In fact most of the Luton community I have spoken to have barely even heard of the guy.
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I look forward to reading a rejection from the mosque that stickers advertising his website were displayed within the mosque. If I don't read that in the next 24 to 48 hours then I'll know the mainstream media largely got it right.
 
zoomee said:
He's not barelvi - but a deobandi - Unlike what that article claims. Article is flawed from the outset.

Either way both were sects supported by the British Empire to help divide and conquer India - they've been loyal to the british for centuries (even against their own kind!)

Don't worry - one mans support for a political murder does not mean other muslims support what happened. - I for one couldn't care less about the guy.
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Does it matter what sect he is?

He's saying one thing in public and saying the complete opposite in private. That should worry any rational person when this person is the head imam in the largest mosque in Scotland.

Also a bit of misinformation about Barelvi/Deobandi, seems they are more recent than you suggest:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi
 
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