Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

[McPhee]

I could agree with 99.99% of what Corbyn wants, but while he is opposed to Trident he's just a no go area for me.

I think Mr Corbyn has missed a trick with Trident TBH. He should be promising a free vote on the issue, while pledging to lead the campaign for disarmament. That would satisfy most while making it clear that he, personally, is opposed to us owning nuclear weapons.

Unless the line-up of MPs changes drastically, I can't see a vote against Trident getting through Parliament any time soon. Even with a Corbyn government, too many would defy the whip on that issue. I don't see how he has anything to lose in pledging a free vote.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Trident is such a stupid sacred cow.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Another big part for me is taking into account the intentions of party leaders. Corbyn is a pretty ordinary guy, who I think has a lot of peoples best interests at heart. He's not a power hungry robot like the others, he's just a bloke. And that's endearing.

 

[The_Abyss]

Another big part for me is taking into account the intentions of party leaders. Corbyn is a pretty ordinary guy, who I think has a lot of peoples best interests at heart. He's not a power hungry robot like the others, he's just a bloke. And that's endearing.

A pretty ordinary guy? A man who hasn't had a job outside of politics since 1974 and who continues to desperately cling on to the power of the leadership of the Labour Party despite this plunging it into possibly its worst ever existential crisis?

 

[wordy]

A pretty ordinary guy? A man who hasn't had a job outside of politics since 1974 and who continues to desperately cling on to the power of the leadership of the Labour Party despite this plunging it into possibly its worst ever existential crisis?

He was also chosen as party leader, twice by pretty big margins.

 

[The_Abyss]

Agreed. That doesn't make him ordinary nor does it reflect the perilous position he's put his party in, not to mention the risks he poses to the country by failing to provide a robust and challenging opposition.

 

[DrToffnar]

Another big part for me is taking into account the intentions of party leaders. Corbyn is a pretty ordinary guy, who I think has a lot of peoples best interests at heart. He's not a power hungry robot like the others, he's just a bloke. And that's endearing.

Absolutely agree. But he's a bit too wet for me. I think at heart he's an ideologist which is great, but not when it's ALL you are.

 

[StriderX]

Agreed. That doesn't make him ordinary nor does it reflect the perilous position he's put his party in, not to mention the risks he poses to the country by failing to provide a robust and challenging opposition.

What is a "robust and challenging opposition"? Just saying the opposite is pathetic.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Does it matter to the person whose factory moved east?

He is trying to imply, as usual, it is all because of the big bad EU whereas companies have always moved to get a competitive advantage.

 

[do_ron_ron]

I was just thinking this weekend how nice it is having a zero hour contract. I have one in addition to my main contract which I rarely use however there was some extra work going this weekend. It was great coming in when I wanted and leaving when I wanted. Did 7 hours on Saturday, 3 hours on Sunday in the morning and 5 hours on the Monday. Extra pay for basically no impact against my plans.

For every one who it benefits there are thousands who want more hours to be able to more than just exist.

 

[do_ron_ron]

We would all prefer it if the world where free of such things. But alas, we NEED them both as a deterrent and a means to sit at the political big boys table.

So patients are dying on trolleys in the corridors of hospitals but you think it important that our politicians can pretend they are a superpower. Personally I have more humanity.

 

[Trifid]

For every one who it benefits there are thousands who want more hours to be able to more than just exist.

Fortunately they can have a second or a third zero hour contract.

 

[DrToffnar]

So patients are dying on trolleys in the corridors of hospitals but you think it important that our politicians can pretend they are a superpower. Personally I have more humanity.

That's not what I said at all. It's not a black and white issue, nor would I ever pretend that it is and neither should you.

 

[Sankari]

like what? having to contribute £billions to the EU budget every year, loss of sovereignty, under-representation in European politics, population increasing by a city the size of Coventry every year. I'm struggling to think of a single good thing EU membership has brought for the UK.

Every time I come back to this thread, I find more evidence that the average Leave voter threw away his vote because he didn't understand the issues and was happy to let other people tell him what to think.

 

[Sankari]

Trident is such a stupid sacred cow.

I could not disagree more. The nuclear deterrent is essential, and if everything goes **** up at least we have a last resort.

 

[wordy]

Agreed. That doesn't make him ordinary nor does it reflect the perilous position he's put his party in, not to mention the risks he poses to the country by failing to provide a robust and challenging opposition.

I never said it did, I was referring to the sentence that he was clinging in to power. As to providing an effective opposition why is he ineffective? He's not the one chickening out of open debates put his point across in the run up to the election.

 

[jimjamuk]

That's not what I said at all. It's not a black and white issue, nor would I ever pretend that it is and neither should you.

Unfortunately thats how the "discussions" go here and juggling a more balanced arguement with a few variables does not seem possible with some of the posters

On topic - yes we need a nuclear deterrent and yes something needs to be done about the NHS - both are possible

 

[DrToffnar]

Unfortunately thats how the "discussions" go here and juggling a more balanced arguement with a few variables does not seem possible with some of the posters

On topic - yes we need a nuclear deterrent and yes something needs to be done about the NHS - both are possible

Precisely. It's not a question of 'either, or'.

 

[Tunney]

That's not technically voting tactically unless you want to help the tories, because it won't stop the Tory victory but if enough do it then it might stop the fall of Corbyn and result in him staying on for the next election, thus guaranteeing the Tories victory in 2022 as well.

By voting Labour, I hope to be represented by someone in parliament who isn't a Tory. That's pretty much the definition of tactical voting.

Reality will have no bearing on whether Corbyn stays. We live in a world where Trump supporters believe that Trump plays significantly less golf than Obama. Whether he loses big or small, his supporters will blame the media for the loss.

 

[jimjamuk]

I never said it did, I was referring to the sentence that he was clinging in to power. As to providing an effective opposition why is he ineffective? He's not the one chickening out of open debates put his point across in the run up to the election.

So your defence to the challenge that JC is an ineffective opposition leader is the TV debates?!

People cant complain that the Tories are doing what they want and claim JC is an effective opposition at the same time. Before someone says the Tories have a majority - yes they do but like all parties they have backbenchers that are not fully 100% with the program - its not beyond the wit of man to drum up support for some sort of opposition against some of the more extreme policies