Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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chroniclard said:
Yeah well I disagree, as a family we don't want to pay anymore to fund the lunacy of small minded scroats as we already pay thousands. :p
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You are taxed on your individual earnings, not combined.

Unless you are telling me that both you and your wife earn £80,000 each? And you don't think a penny extra should fund things like the NHS? In that case vote Tory, you'll fit right in.
 
balky12 said:
Obviously not. At least it's not the preferred outcome. But if it was a choice between foreign owned but the level of service we have now, or nationalisation but with a lesser service (which is my opinion) I would take the 1st option. As an everyday comuter.
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The railways aren't just foreign-owned. They are foreign *state* owned. Money that you pay for your commute goes to pay for other countries public transport networks.
 
balky12 said:
Government recently took hold of east coast mainline. Quickly sold that off because it was a disaster.
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Well that's fake news

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/26/east-coast-mainline-why-privatise


National Express realised it was losing money hand over fist – but the government was not willing to renegotiate. Lord Adonis, then transport secretary, set up Directly Operated Railways, a not-for-dividend subsidiary of the Department for Transport, to manage the service. The last four years, according to DOR's own accounts, published this month, have been an extraordinary success.

The first half of this year has seen levels of punctuality not achieved by any operator of the east coast mainline "since records in their current form began", although poor weather affected the latter part of last year. The company has won 13 industry awards since April 2012, including that of being Britain's top employer. There has been a 4.2% increase in ticket sales year-on-year, £208.7m returned to the taxpayer during the year in premium and dividend payments, and a record level of customer satisfaction.
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VincentHanna said:
You are taxed on your individual earnings, not combined.

Unless you are telling me that both you and your wife earn £80,000 each? And you don't think a penny extra should fund things like the NHS? In that case vote Tory, you'll fit right in.
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I dont, wife does. Though I am unsure of the proposed amount of the rise, may be small/acceptable assuming it actually funds the proposals in the manifesto.

All people need to band together to make Brexit a success, tax everyone more, would be the fairest way.
 
mid_gen said:
The railways aren't just foreign-owned. They are foreign *state* owned. Money that you pay for your commute goes to pay for other countries public transport networks.
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No, the railways are UK government owned. Some of the operators are privately owned and some are foreign owned - ultimately those foreign owned operators belong to states. I don't really see a big issue with state vs private ownership but would rather not see a complete state monopoly. Whether a foreign buyer is ultimately owned by a foreign government or owned by various shareholders doesn't really matter.
 
dowie said:
No, the railways are UK government owned. Some of the operators are privately owned and some are foreign owned - ultimately those foreign owned operators belong to states. I don't really see a big issue with state vs private ownership but would rather not see a complete state monopoly. Whether a foreign buyer is ultimately owned by a foreign government or owned by various shareholders doesn't really matter.
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i think the issue is more with year on year fare rises, crap service and massive profits, ideologically it may fit the free market concept but it isn't working for many people that use them
 
chroniclard said:
All people need to band together to make Brexit a success, tax everyone more, would be the fairest way.
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Ridiculous. It is clear that people on the lower end of the pay scale do not earn enough to live without being dependant on someone else or the government, even now we have raised minimal wage. Are we going to just keep raising taxes and minimal wage alternatively until everyone is earning silly amounts and paying 80% as tax?

Better management of our money is what is required, not more money. Whether that includes transport services is dependant on their running.
 
drs101 said:
i think the issue is more with year on year fare rises, crap service and massive profits, ideologically it may fit the free market concept but it isn't working for many people that use them
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Putting aside whether or not that is an accurate reflection of reality - why would removing competition improve that? I mean, as pointed out, a significant portion are already state owned?
 
VincentHanna said:
How about a mirror article instead?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/city-news/publicly-owned-east-coast-mainline-rail-3418067

Because that's what the conservatives do...
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I guess the proof will be in the pudding, if it ever gets to that.

Unfortunately I have no real personal experience in nationalised rail networks (bar TfL) however the feeling in at least my immediate professional circles in London, is that nationalisation is a bad idea. That's coming from people who vote across the whole spectrum. I can't see how nationalising the rail systems would either improve efficiency and/or make travel cheaper... unless massive input from taxpayers...

Then that goes back to the old age argument of where does this money come from? Is asking the whole of the UK to contribute more to our railways, when most of the journeys are undertaken my Londoners and the South East, fair?

I don't doubt that nationalisation of the railways would succeed if it had silly money thrown at it. However alongside;

Free University (estimated to cost £12bn)
More NHS Funding (£6bn)
Social care investment (£8bn)
Free school dinners
Return of EMA
etc.

Individually all these ideas are great...

My feelings are broadly summed up in this article; http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-well-all-pay-for-election-pledges-10873271
 
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