Theresa May to create new internet that would be controlled and regulated by government

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Trusty said:
Personally don't see the problem, threat of violence and racist remarks are something i don't condone in our society.
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The problem is what will the Beeb decide is 'objectionable content' and what is 'disruptive behaviour'?

Too broad and gives them scope to use it against anyone they seem to want to get rid of. Yes racism and other isms are bad but this is far too much of a catch all to not be abused
 
Trusty said:
Personally don't see the problem, threat of violence and racist remarks are something i don't condone in our society.
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I suppose if you fundamentally support state censorship, then why would you see an issue with corporations trying to impact your professional life for things you say in your personal life that they feel wasn't appropriate.
 
She's a joke. The whole of UK government is a joke these days. You need to pick the best out of the worst but this woman needs to go before UK turns into North Korea.
 
Lartyconshayo said:
The problem is what will the Beeb decide is 'objectionable content' and what is 'disruptive behaviour'?

Too broad and gives them scope to use it against anyone they seem to want to get rid of. Yes racism and other isms are bad but this is far too much of a catch all to not be abused
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And i think that's the paranoid coming out in people. We have laws, they can't pass on your info because you disagree with an article, then get the police to lock you up because of that.

Kenai said:
I suppose if you fundamentally support state censorship, then why would you see an issue with corporations trying to impact your professional life for things you say in your personal life that they feel wasn't appropriate.
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I don't support fundamental state censorship, it's on a spectrum, i don't think it's ok to allow some bad people to infect everyone else.

Regarding companies, you represent them at the end of the day and if youre a wholly different person behind closed doors, eg being racist to people. I support their right to fire you.
 
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Trusty said:
That's completely false, gun crime is virtually non existent in this country because we make it very hard to find, sure if youre hell bent on finding them, you probably will but that doesn't mean we should regulate the internet. We're talking about regulation, i realise there's no black and white but i don't doubt the it's to make society safer, it's not about taking away "ma freedoms"
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What I mean by not hard to find is you can easily find sites to buy them online. They're physical items that can be banned/caught in customs.

Porn isn't physical is it(not in a digital format anyway). You can't stop it at customs you can only make it harder to find. Which there are numerous ways to do and yet it's still all over the internet. Even if you blacklist every porn site known about there will be more popping up every day.

Short of some kind of whitelisted internet it's going to be an issue. Afaik there is already software out there that will do this. Why censor the entire internet when the tools are out there already?
 
Trusty said:
Personally don't see the problem, threat of violence and racist remarks are something i don't condone in our society.
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Trusty said:
Don't disagree at all about the education and stuff but it's the severity of the porn, surely you can make a distinction between a porno mag where it's still life and double penetration violent gangbanging.
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If you want to keep your future kids away from that then you can set up your own parental controls. It isn't a good reason to ban that stuff in general. There are already laws against people directing threats of violence or racist remarks towards people.
 
Trusty said:
That's completely false, gun crime is virtually non existent in this country because we make it very hard to find, sure if youre hell bent on finding them, you probably will but that doesn't mean we should regulate the internet. We're talking about regulation, i realise there's no black and white but i don't doubt the it's to make society safer, it's not about taking away "ma freedoms"
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Gun crime is low in this country mostly because there is a much higher degree of common sense (i.e. strict regulation of weapons that are easy to conceal) and better taking into account of potentially risky aspects like mental health in relation to licensing as well as those companies selling them taking a higher degree of responsibility. Contrary to what most people perceive it isn't actually "that hard" to get the licensing to own say an AR15 chambered in .223 albeit it has to be designed for straight pull/bolt action in a way that isn't easy to modify to semi or full automatic.

With some relatively minor tweaking to their legislation and regulation gun crime in the US would drop by like 75%.
 
Mynight said:
What I mean by not hard to find is you can easily find sites to buy them online. They're physical items that can be banned/caught in customs.

Porn isn't physical is it(not in a digital format anyway). You can't stop it at customs you can only make it harder to find. Which there are numerous ways to do and yet it's still all over the internet. Even if you blacklist every porn site known about there will be more popping up every day.

Short of some kind of whitelisted internet it's going to be an issue. Afaik there is already software out there that will do this. Why censor the entire internet when the tools are out there already?
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Like i said in a previous post, it's spectrum, i just do not think we are anywhere near a point of totalitarian yet. I'm all for the intelligent software engineers trying to figure out ways to make it harder for young children to be exposed to the near farcical world of porn, it's so far away from real sex. It seems to have been happening for a long time, someone mentions internet regulation and suddenly everyone says it's taking away my freedom, yet here we are, talking about what the hell we want.
 
Trusty said:
I don't support fundamental state censorship, it's on a spectrum, i don't think it's ok to allow some bad people to infect everyone else.

Regarding companies, you represent them at the end of the day and if youre a wholly different person behind closed doors, eg being racist to people. I support their right to fire you.
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Well you've said in this thread that you support the government's right to censor things from the internet, so you clearly do, unless you don't mean what you say?

No business should have the right to fire people for their personal business until it directly brings that business into disrepute.

Talk about thought police, Jesus wept.
 
Trusty said:
Like i said in a previous post, it's spectrum, i just do not think we are anywhere near a point of totalitarian yet. I'm all for the intelligent software engineers trying to figure out ways to make it harder for young children to be exposed to the near farcical world of porn, it's so far away from real sex.
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Neither do I but I would like to prevent any steps that could be on their way.

I personally don't like porn at all it warped my mind as to what to expect as a kid, real life is nothing like the movies.

I'm not arguing from a position of they're trying to take "ma fredums" I'm trying to argue from the technical "it won't work" side. Until a sufficient countermeasure is produced I fail to see the point in legislating it.
 
Kenai said:
Well you've said in this thread that you support the government's right to censor things from the internet, so you clearly do, unless you don't mean what you say?

No business should have the right to fire people for their personal business until it directly brings that business into disrepute.

Talk about thought police, Jesus wept.
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I've talked about a spectrum haven't i, do you not believe in that spectrum?

There's no thought police here, i've no idea why you used that term. If someone is racist bugger or something then i personally believe the business has every right to fire you.
 
Trusty said:
Yea, i'll say the same thing back to you. You're a paranoid conspiracy nut. 99% of the world are good people just trying to go about their lives, you obviously think there's some evil underbelly to people, i don't believe that and anthropologists would agree with me.

Do you believe we landed on the moon?
9/11?
Views?
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And yet for some reason you want to vote for the 1%...

This is nothing short of an attack on free speech, privacy and an attempt to introduce a filter like the Chinese dictatorship.

It's not conspiracy, it has been spelled out in plain and then covered up with a layer of fear to sell it as only protecting us from the bad people, the ones you quite rightly recognise as a very small percentage of society.

It's to protect us from terror... something which is a lower risk to our lives than flying on an aeroplane.

Using fear to control.
 
There's two problems with the Tory strategy as far as I see it, even if you're in the "I've got nothing to hide" camp:

1) Who decides what constitutes objectable content? At present, a lot of LGBT support websites get mis-tagged as porn for example.

2) We've seen recently with WannaCry that backdoors won't just be used by the good guys.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
Concerning rhetoric for sure but as said that's pretty much all it will end up being. Although disillusioned with a lot of the manifesto I will still be voting Tory, although very much from a 'least worst' point of view.
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Why?

Genuine question... you must have a viable reason to justify your choice.
 
Trusty said:
Yea, but i don't want my kids finding it so easily, you can see all the research saying it affect on young people, it's massive. I've nothing against porn obviously
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But a large proportion of ISPs and mobile providers already have parental blocks in place to stop that and have for years.

Even that's frustrating... it's the parent's responsibility, no-one elses'
 
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