London Bridge Incident
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Well enough is enough is what the Leader of the Country said.
And yes , I'm afraid it'll be pressure on innocent muslims in the first instance , but if we all want the same outcome to eradicate homegrown radicalisation it has to be clear and open throughout the community.
I'm not doubting that they're radicals, I'm commenting on the rather laughable 'wealth inequality' being to blame rather than the rather obvious ideological problem - in this case Islamism and in that case white nationalism - Brevic had over 300k in the bank... so much for your argument there.
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Can you not see why people can be motivated by perceived injustices to those they feel affiliated with even if they are in far off lands?
And out of those 23000 people how many are actively supporting terrorism by providing training, weapons or attacking people?
Lock them all up because of the 0.1% that are actively doing any of the above?
You can't detain people because they're on a watch list, what are you going to do, arrest someone because they're brown and Google searched a pressure cooker?
The only thing I agree with is if someone goes abroad to fight with ISIS they should not be allowed back.
The only thing I agree with is if someone goes abroad to fight with ISIS they should not be allowed back.
Not really related, but I see the Daily Fail are trying to stoke a Twitter storm over Uber surcharging last night. Lots of morons complaining.
I don't know why but this really winds me up. Are people too thick to understand that technology like Uber is largely automated and if there's a surge in demand then their price surge kicks in, for whatever reason? The whole thing was over in 8mins, they can't get expect Uber to have a hotline to the police to know immediately there is something bad going on.
Argh, bigger fish to fry people, seriously!
I don't know why but this really winds me up. Are people too thick to understand that technology like Uber is largely automated and if there's a surge in demand then their price surge kicks in, for whatever reason? The whole thing was over in 8mins, they can't get expect Uber to have a hotline to the police to know immediately there is something bad going on.
Argh, bigger fish to fry people, seriously!
ohhh right its just this is your knee jerk reaction to feeling like a potential victim?
that makes more sense you're still viewing this as "omg what do i do" you havent gotten used to lviing like that and approaching it with a pragmatic view.
your proposals for rounding everyone up valid or not are something not to be taken lightly they affect the country for generations.
you are effectively arguing for the removal of heabus corpus (spelling?) and entering us into a period where the government can lock people u pwithout trail based on clouded secret reasons.
many people find that is just too far too go.
just like banning cars is too far to go to deal with road deaths.
locking people up because they have spent time in the same building as a terrorist is even further still into worrying territory.
i mean from my perspective this year alone several of my friends have been attacked and some even hospitalized because of the injuries they received, this was because they are openly gay.
yet i dont believe that all straight people are to blame, or that there should be watch lists, or detention centers should be built.
now my friends have been attacked in the past and will likely be attacked again in future (as am i). that is the world we live in.
so No terrorism isn't the main issue, it isn't the biggest threat or anything close to it.
They should start offering bounties for sympathisers. Soon as money becomes involved it's amazing how quickly things change. People will start actively seeking them out
Lol
Is that not the problem, that they live in the United Kingdom but feel more affiliated with people from far away lands than their supposed fellow countrymen?
How does it work?
How do you know who's on the list and why?
If there was strong enough evidence to arrest anyone on the list because of their ties to terrorism then they'd surely not only be on a watch list but be charged with something, so it can't take much to be put on a list
I have no idea what we should do in all honesty, but threatening potential terrorists with deportation of their whole families would be a start, and a promise of a life of suffering for the terrorist themselves before they 'ascend' to Allah's side instead of shooting them dead - which is just giving them what they want. Though that is barbaric and inhumane right? As much as I understand the ideologies of staying clean and attempting to defeat the Jihads with our morals intact, the brutal truth is if things keep going the way they do, and we never play by their rules we will never win, they will. How many years until Western culture falls to this? Because this is just the beginning, in 10-20 years time what is happening now will feel like a picnic.
Showing sympathy to the victims is fine, I felt physically ill when I saw witness reports, but it's most of these people who'll also get triggered and treat you like you're worse than the terrorists when you call out Islam for what it is.
The absolute bottom line of all this is simple; either our way of life, our safety and our dreams of peace etc. dies, or Islam does. It will be one or the other, most likely the former.
I don't have an issue with the surcharges but I do have an issue with their drivers accepting rides then turning them down when they see the destination will take them away from central London - happened three times to me last night. Obviously staying in central was more profitable for the drivers.
They're jihadis, they all actively supporting terrorism
Then where's the proof, if there's proof they are actively supporting terrorism then they be investigated and prosecuted no?
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They still need to be paid don't they? Charitable acts probably won't pay their rent.
It's plain to see now that they won't. they either hiding the jihadis amongst them, or are playing dumb and covering their eyes and ears to whats around them, some Muslim communities have just as much blood on their hands by not helping or actively trying to stop Prevent etc.
That's your own interpretation of things I'm afraid. I can see that both terrorism and inner-city gang violence are issues without one needing to affect how I feel about the other.