Intel Core i9-7900X reviews are going live!

zornyan · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:28

humbug said:
This from the man who said 2666Mhz was the highest Ryzen would ever do.

You even bet your PC on it, so when is it up for raffle?

You're always wrong when you make these silly predictions, give it up.

I think it's safe to say the averages will be much higher, looking at x99 systems they easily got 3600-4000mhz on 4 dimms.

ryzen struggles to do 3200mhz on two dimms with a lucky IMC, look at ryzen threads on here, overclock.net and even reddit, most people seem unable to pass 2993 mhz still.

///Rage · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:30

Why bother responding? He's the intel version of flopper. Just ignore...

Chuk_Chuk · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:30

zornyan said:
still comes down to mindshare, ryzen with all its massive amounts of hype only managed 2% or market share, and amd predicted it would lose 1% in this quarter (that's why their shares dropped hugely one day as investors were worries why amd themselves saw loss of sales so soon)...so 1% market share over 6 months.

Shares dropped because they predicted they would drop a percent in gross profit margins not market share.
Ryzen has only been available to people that build there own PCs, the pre-built stuff has only been launched. Coupled with the fact that not everyone buys on release day, hence the slow uptake.
Ryzen has only been out about 4 months not 6.

humbug · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:36

zornyan said:
I think it's safe to say the averages will be much higher, looking at x99 systems they easily got 3600-4000mhz on 4 dimms.

ryzen struggles to do 3200mhz on two dimms with a lucky IMC, look at ryzen threads on here, overclock.net and even reddit, most people seem unable to pass 2993 mhz still.

You're over stating X99 capabilities and understating Ryzen capabilities, 4000Mhz is not that easy on X99 and people are getting 3200Mhz fairly easily on Ryzen.

despite all of this you can claim Intel get 8000Mhz if you want it makes little difference to Intel's performance because its a completely different architecture that does not respond to ram speed., The only difference 2666Mhz vs 3200Mhz on the Ryzen System makes about a 15% difference, those reviewers who use 2666Mhz, or i've even seen them use 2400Mhz "because Well thats what i used on the Intel system so its fair" are being very disingenuous to be polite.

zornyan · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:39

humbug said:
You're over stating X99 capabilities and understating Ryzen capabilities, 4000Mhz is not that easy on X99 and people are getting 3200Mhz fairly easily on Ryzen.

The difference is 2666Mhz vs 3200Mhz on X99 and X299 makes little to no measurable difference.

2666Mhz vs 3200Mhz on the Ryzen System makes about a 15% difference, those reviewers who use 2666Mhz, or i've even seen them use 2400Mhz "because Well thats what i used on the Intel system so its fair" are being very disingenuous to be polite.

so they should use slower ram on intel than ryzen to 'help' ryzen out.

wouldn't it be more correct to show how these systems will actually be used? with 2133mhz ram, which as you say will hurt ryzen more yes but the average user doesn't overclock their cpu or ram, so it's more realistic of what the end user can experience.

humbug · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:42

zornyan said:
so they should use slower ram on intel than ryzen to 'help' ryzen out.

No, you've just read what i said, ignored it and then responded to me as if i'd said something entirely different, i'm saying for newer reviews they should retest Ryzen with the new microcode, BIOS and RAM speed capabilities.

wouldn't it be more correct to show how these systems will actually be used? with 2133mhz ram

This is yet another one of your ridiculous exaggerations, for a start the default RAM speed on Ryzen is 2666Mhz, almost all do 3Ghz now with most 3.2Ghz, i have seen quite a few now with 3.4Ghz ram too.

pete910 · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:47

///Rage said:
Why bother responding? He's the intel version of flopper. Just ignore...

He/She makes flopper look positively sane !

GAC · 17 Jun 2017 at 17:50

well im out of this discussion as its obviously not going to move forward one bit.

zornyan · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:05

humbug said:
No, you've just read what i said, ignored it and then responded to me as if i'd said something entirely different, i'm saying for newer reviews they should retest Ryzen with the new microcode, BIOS and RAM speed capabilities.

This is yet another one of your ridiculous exaggerations, for a start the default RAM speed on Ryzen is 2666Mhz, almost all do 3Ghz now with most 3.2Ghz, i have seen quite a few now with 3.4Ghz ram too.

default ddr4 speed is 2133mhz, that's for Intel and ryzen ( I couldn't get above 2133mhz for the first few days of using my 1800x with 4 dimms until a bios patch)

2133mhz is ddr4s default jedec speed, anything above that is considered an overclock.

overclock.net is full of people that can't get past 2993mhz even with new aegsa. better go tell them they're all wrong eh?

to be fair even plenty if day 1 reviews had high ram speed on ryzen, or the limits of what they're likely to achieve

for instance this day one benchmark (that puts the ryzen slower than an i5) has 2933mhz ram, which is what the vast majority of people can't get past even with the new aegsa update, realistically there's not going to be many more improvments in ram speed past this update

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-2

gavinh87 · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:06

You cannot reason with people like him, even when the proof is presented to him he will refuse to acknowledge it and talk about something else.
Kind of like a friend or family member that refuses to believe his spouse is cheating....

Minstadave · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:06

All anyone here really cares about is benches done as close to how we will run our systems. To me that means overclocked not default or freakin JEDEC speeds, if Ryzen is running >3000mhz solidly then I only really care about benches with fast RAM. Same for Skylake-X and Threadripper.

The early benches are out of date, and in a few weeks we'll say the same for these X299 benches.

Silent_Scone · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:20

zornyan said:
I think it's safe to say the averages will be much higher, looking at x99 systems they easily got 3600-4000mhz on 4 dimms.

ryzen struggles to do 3200mhz on two dimms with a lucky IMC, look at ryzen threads on here, overclock.net and even reddit, most people seem unable to pass 2993 mhz still.

3600-4000MHz on X99 is far from easy, in fact unconditionally it's almost safely not possible. 3400 is the highest easily obtainable ratio on that platform. Can only assume that comment is a typo.

Skylake has a much stronger IMC.

humbug · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:26

No it doesn't ^^^^ you made that up, about 6 months ago when you started these arguments... and you're still spinning the same lines despite already having been proved wrong.

zornyan said:
default ddr4 speed is 2133mhz, that's for Intel and ryzen ( I couldn't get above 2133mhz for the first few days of using my 1800x with 4 dimms until a bios patch)

2133mhz is ddr4s default jedec speed, anything above that is considered an overclock.

overclock.net is full of people that can't get past 2993mhz even with new aegsa. better go tell them they're all wrong eh?

to be fair even plenty if day 1 reviews had high ram speed on ryzen, or the limits of what they're likely to achieve

for instance this day one benchmark (that puts the ryzen slower than an i5) has 2933mhz ram, which is what the vast majority of people can't get past even with the new aegsa update, realistically there's not going to be many more improvments in ram speed past this update

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-2

jedec is a universal standard, chip markers themselves with their own IMC's and Memory vendors can build their own products to whatever specifications they like. You're confusing industry standards with a vendors own.

That in AMD's case is 2667Mhz, beyond that its an overclock

zornyan · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:30

humbug said:
No it doesn't ^^^^ you just made that up. still spinning the same lines despite already having been proved wrong.

jedec is a universal standard, chip markers themselves with their own IMC's and Memory vendors can build their own products to whatever specifications they like. You're confusing industry standards with a vendors own.

That in AMD's case is 2667Mhz, beyond that its an overclock

right, but if you just insert ram into a motherboard and boot it up, the standard speed is 2123mhz right?

I'm talking in the case of the 'average' consumer, that just buys a pc for their workstation etc.

I think we can agree, the vast vast majority of pcs, wether ryzen or Intel the owner never ever enters bios to touch anything.

Minstadave · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:32

zornyan said:
right, but if you just insert ram into a motherboard and boot it up, the standard speed is 2123mhz right?

I'm talking in the case of the 'average' consumer, that just buys a pc for their workstation etc.

I think we can agree, the vast vast majority of pcs, wether ryzen or Intel the owner never ever enters bios to touch anything.

So the only benches you care about are ones run at standard? That's how you run your PC?

humbug · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:32

zornyan said:
right, but if you just insert ram into a motherboard and boot it up, the standard speed is 2123mhz right?

I'm talking in the case of the 'average' consumer, that just buys a pc for their workstation etc.

I think we can agree, the vast vast majority of pcs, wether ryzen or Intel the owner never ever enters bios to touch anything.

I think that depends on the board, and they are all different, mine defaults to 2133Mhz but thats DDR3, i set the memory profile to 2400Mhz and away i go.... my guess is its reading from the XMP profile.

zornyan · 17 Jun 2017 at 18:50

humbug said:
I think that depends on the board, and they are all different, mine defaults to 2133Mhz but thats DDR3, i set the memory profile to 2400Mhz and away i go.... my guess is its reading from the XMP profile.

yeah correct, although I don't think ryzen can read the exact profiles, it must be able to read some of the information of the ram?

Minstadave said:
So the only benches you care about are ones run at standard? That's how you run your PC?

no of course not, I was merely responding to a silly remark about 'real world use' which would. be 2133mhz on an stock frequency mean Jesus most people still use dual cores with GTX 970s or less, hell most people game at 1080p/60 or less...

for all enthusiasts? yea ram/cpu/gpus will be pushed, better cooling solutions etc.

most of the YouTube reviews I've seen have used around 3200mhz on ryzen, at least the ones like digital foundry etc.

the ones that have slower speed have (normally) stated that this is all they can run at, and I'm sure you can agree with the people reporting on various problems that is most likely true no?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Jun 2017 at 19:01

GAC said:
well im out of this discussion as its obviously not going to move forward one bit.

Well he is on Reddit and Overclock.net doing the same.

///Rage said:
Why bother responding? He's the intel version of flopper. Just ignore...

BTW,is that a Mig21 Lancer in your sig??

zornyan · 17 Jun 2017 at 19:27

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well he is on Reddit and Overclock.net doing the same.

BTW,is that a Mig21 Lancer in your sig??

I love internet stalkers! hello friend!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Jun 2017 at 20:26

zornyan said:
I love internet stalkers! hello friend!

LMAO - do you realise some of us actually read more than one forum - you seem like you are stalking every mention of this release on multiple major forums.

What is hilarious,that someone already mentioned in this thread you were on Reddit doing the same thing,and when I was reading the Overclock.net thread on the i7 7900X to see if there was more information,I saw you arguing on there too.

Now you trying to cry and say you are victim - don't look for validation of your hardware purchases on forums,seriously don't.