I thought they banned halon and the likes cause they where CFS, not harmful to us but banned for enviromental reasons?
Tower block fire - london
- Thread starter robfosters
- Start date
I thought they banned halon and the likes cause they where CFS, not harmful to us but banned for enviromental reasons?
I never studied "Media Studies"
So you can't even get that right
Your perception is one of conceptualised representation. As in ; you are allowing your personal beliefs to pollute the event.
In your mind you think Jeremy was fishing for points...But your perceived agenda is not his concern....
So what you are actually doing is adding Value to your own argument terribly, while others and don't really care for it.
You're wasting your time.
You're surprised about Councils?
Hmm, imo easyrider and Asim are the same poster.
Both brag about their qualifications and how they are considerably more informed than the rest of us.
Ask Tefal...
I have never mentioned holding any qualification ever on these forums lol. In fact I've posted that im a dropout lol so maybe you have confused me with another member.
Also there are many people who are way more informed than me and i have mentioned/admitted this many, many times I have absolutely no issue with crediting people who are actually informed. But many others do have issues with crediting people smarter than them so you've definitely got me confused with someone else.
If I posess more information than another individual, then i am more informed. If some one else posseses more information then they are more informed. Its relative to two people, theres no such thing as "the rest of us" in my head, thats just your thinking.
Last edited:
they had rather a lot of donations to the point where they asked people to stop donating not long after the incident
Wow from this page it looks like there was only one stairway down to get out..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40301289
I would have expected a block like this to have at least two stairways down with them spaced at out by being at each side of the building.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40301289
I would have expected a block like this to have at least two stairways down with them spaced at out by being at each side of the building.
Most have one stairway?
That Crazy....
Not unusual. One staircase two liftshafts opposite one another.
Ours were seven story council flats with dual stairways and a lift!
Where and how old though?
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 33,188
It's the same thing, expect all donations to be given out, never even enters his mind that everyone has everything they need for right now and that giving people 10 times the food they need, which has to be stored and will just go off doesn't help. Seen lots of people say it's horrendous that the food donated is going off, saying how can they live with themselves not getting food... it just never enters their mind to stop and think for two seconds, with thousands of people helping and only what, 400 people or something, the chances are that is excess food.
Same with the May, people expect to see something, they expected her to visit, when I and several other people have pointed out that in most cases it gets in the way, causes a distraction, stops work and is generally inconvenient. But because people expect to see politicians shaking hands rather than working, politicians spend more time shaking hands and living up to random stupid expectations than doing work.
As said before, it's now more important to campaign, lie to as many different crowds as possible, shake as many hands than it is to actually be somewhere working on decent policies. We don't vote out parties with **** policies, people vote for the party they always voted for no matter how little that party or those politicians have achieved before.
Politics is a mess and nothing improves because people are begging to be lied to, we want our politicians to appear to care, so if they show up to the photo up we're appeased and if they don't we're outraged, we don't care if it's a bad idea to get in the way in such disasters. It's embarrassing. It's also how Trump got elected, he lied to the right people and he spent 2 years and millions on millions campaigning and lying, Hillary is awful, but she actually did more actual political work and she lied a hell of a lot less than Trump, but Trump said the right things, got elected and isn't doing 98% of what he promised.
I read the account of their final hours. They had been ringing home in Italy speaking to the girl's parents. At first, they seemed more intrigued by the fire than anything. They just assumed it would get put out and was far down from them (on 23rd floor).
But within an hour they got bit more concerned as flames had climbed up. They realised they were blocked due to smoke. Then hour later the smoke was literally entering their flat as they were on phone. They said their good byes and line went dead. One of the most harrowing accounts I've ever read.
Makes you wonder what you could possibly do in that situation to survive. First thing is wet towel over doorways to prevent the smoke coming in. But when it is literally engulfing your flat from all angles that won't be enough. They couldn't leave down stair well due to heat and smoke by that point. If only they, and all the people on those higher floors, had just left the min it was apparent something was up.
I did think that, perhaps, a possible way to survive might have been to go up and not down. Maybe try and reach the roof, get out onto the highest point where the aerials etc are. Judging by the pics, that area was untouched by the flames (no cladding!). But I guess a door was locked preventing access no doubt. Man, just beggars belief people were doomed to this sort of cruel fate.
From that height, jumping would be death too. Perhaps some sort of makeshift parachute? But I know that is far fetched. Jumping out with a bed mattress under you might soften the blow from a certain height up but 23rd floor... it was just a death sentence for them. So sad.
Permabanned
- Joined
- 8 Feb 2004
- Posts
- 4,539
Graduate couples are usually quite poor.
Perhaps 1% par rises for the last 7 years and being threatened with an angry mob had something to do with it.
Is it every person working for the councils job to work for free at the weekend?
Perhaps the councilors were working, securing donations would be top priority.
Pre-cladding, the fire would not have spread, anyone with half a brain can see that two sides of the building became an enormous chimney creating huge temperatures which the adjacent windows simply weren't built to withstand, from there fire easily entered homes all the way up the building. It's evident from the live images shown.
Pre-cladding the flames would have done nothing more than blacken the outside concrete/brickwork.
Pre-cladding advice was to stay in your apartment.
sadly with only one staircase not much they could do by that point, if not for the cladding (and possibly the guy leaving his door open) maybe the fire would have been contained and they might have been safer in the flat, fire dealt with and not having to venture down the stairs until the smoke had mostly cleared the next day
I don't think the roof was an option - likely locked as you said but also I think ended up covered in smoke for a prolonged period - until recently LA had a rule whereby all tall buildings required helipads on the roof... architects hated it as it meant they couldn't try fancy designs but in a situation like this all the people on the top few floors could have gone to the roof for helicopter evacuation.