Tower block fire - london

I wonder though, ignoring everything else... the site itself?

Who'd want to live in the same space where 70 people (likely) died (horrifically)? It should probably just be turned into a memorial park with a stone engraved with names.

Without wishing to be callous, it wouldn't phase me in the slightest. If, for example, a house had been the site of a grisly murder that was consequently on the market for cheap, that would actually be a plus to me due to the saving. (So long as it wasn't "in the nationals" grisly and I was beset by tourists or some such).
 
Regardless of the source of ignition the fire should have been contained much more within the initial flat and much longer and it definitely should not have been spreading up the outside in the way that can be seen in early footage.
This to be honest.

A simple electrical appliance fire should not be able to spread that easily, or that fast from a single dwelling, certainly not over something like 10 floors in 15-30 minutes, from my understanding the regulations are meant to require a fire to be contained within a single dwelling for 15-30 minutes minimum.
The whole idea of the design of the buildings is that fires are by default contained within a small area, yet that did not happen which suggests there was a major inherent problem in how the building was built or maintained (the exposed gas pipes that appear to have been in common areas are something I was surprised was allowed).

Also talking about freezers that were meant to be recalled as if that's the fault of the user is a little silly given that unless you're actively checking on the status of all your appliances there is a good chance you'll miss any recall (IIRC it took Hotpoint about 6 months to contact me about our tumble dryer, despite the fact they had our details and had been sending out extended warranty offers, by the time they contacted us we'd already exchanged it).
 
Sky News now saying that May's reaction to the Manchester bombing was a lot more sympathetic so the insinuation that she's either a racist or doesn't care about the poor. The fact that she's busy trying to form a majority government to be ready for Brexit talks that will have implications on the whole country for years obviously has nothing to do with it.
 
The fact the fire started is not the main issue. The issue is the appalling safety standards in these old buildings. Dangerous cladding chose to save money. No sprinkler system. No external fire exits. No building wide fire alarm system.

No building where rich people live would EVER be allowed to exist in that kind of dangerous state.
 
Without wishing to be callous, it wouldn't phase me in the slightest. If, for example, a house had been the site of a grisly murder that was consequently on the market for cheap, that would actually be a plus to me due to the saving. (So long as it wasn't "in the nationals" grisly and I was beset by tourists or some such).

I'd agree with you but I can see there being uproar if plans are announced to build something there for commercial gain.

That 58 figure includes the confirmed fatalities so at the very least it's not triple figures like many initially thought.
 
The fact the fire started is not the main issue. The issue is the appalling safety standards in these old buildings. Dangerous cladding chose to save money. No sprinkler system. No external fire exits. No building wide fire alarm system.

No building where rich people live would EVER be allowed to exist in that kind of dangerous state.

I don't understand why people try to make everything rich vs poor, focus on the safety standards by all means, I just don't understand what the purpose is of commenting on how rich people live
 
Sky News now saying that May's reaction to the Manchester bombing was a lot more sympathetic so the insinuation that she's either a racist or doesn't care about the poor. The fact that she's busy trying to form a majority government to be ready for Brexit talks that will have implications on the whole country for years obviously has nothing to do with it.

Perhaps she should have stuck with majority government she already had then rather than going all power hungry and calling a snap election (when she said she wouldn't) to try to get a landslide.

If Brexit was so important she should have been getting on with it long ago. Article 50 was triggered in March. But rather than get cracking on negotiations she kicked the can down the road with an unnecessary election and other delays.
 
Sky News now saying that May's reaction to the Manchester bombing was a lot more sympathetic so the insinuation that she's either a racist or doesn't care about the poor. The fact that she's busy trying to form a majority government to be ready for Brexit talks that will have implications on the whole country for years obviously has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, and all brought on by her own arrogance and stupity
 
What do they want her to do? Break down in tears and start wailing until they're satisfied

Meet the victims for a quick chat maybe? She went for a visit but ignored them.

Jezza managed it, hell even the Queen popped round for a chat.
 
Perhaps she should have stuck with majority government she already had then rather than going all power hungry and calling a snap election (when she said she wouldn't) to try to get a landslide.

If Brexit was so important she should have been getting on with it long ago. Article 50 was triggered in March. But rather than get cracking on negotiations she kicked the can down the road with an unnecessary election and other delays.
Remember the abuse Gordon Brown took when he didn't call an election after he took over mid-Parliament from Blair? Calling the election was the right thing to do really, but having an appalling campaign wasn't.

Who says we haven't been getting on with UK independence? Negotiation start dates were agreed with the EU.
 
I still cant believe how many people are jealous/crying about easyrider's qualification. :D

He has a qualification and he's proud of it. I mean is it really worth whining over? Some people seem to be phobic to anyone and anything academic.

Hmm, imo easyrider and Asim are the same poster.

Both brag about their qualifications and how they are considerably more informed than the rest of us.

Ask Tefal... :)
 
What I am trying to figure out atm is why the fire fighters couldn't get up to the top floors to help rescue and escort those trapped up there out. Guessing no vehicles exist with raising platforms that would go up that high? Too close to the fire? That single stair well was clogged in smoke and I read reports of first responders saying it was too hot to get through. I just can't figure it out.

saw a sky news interview with a guy that was a watch commander that night what he was saying about the fire and the situation inside the building sounds horrific.

He describes the pictures we all saw on the news of the tower wrapped in flames and says him and his guys were in there.

Telling how he saw the first crews on the scene coming down from the upper floors saying the guys were virtually on fire the temps were that high and how in the rush to rescue people they had gone in without water to the upper floors and were just banging and kicking in doors trying to get people out.

what ever else comes out of this it just reinforces that these guys {and girls} have balls of steel to be running into a place like that to help when all your natural instincts are telling you to run away.
 
Hmm, imo easyrider and Asim are the same poster.

Both brag about their qualifications and how they are considerably more informed than the rest of us.

Ask Tefal... :)


One of those is easily the most arrogant, smug posters on these boards. It's only when he wants something that he stops telling everyone else they're wrong long enough to not be a shmuck. You can tell he's never been taught respect the good old fashioned way.
 
Without wishing to be callous, it wouldn't phase me in the slightest. If, for example, a house had been the site of a grisly murder that was consequently on the market for cheap, that would actually be a plus to me due to the saving. (So long as it wasn't "in the nationals" grisly and I was beset by tourists or some such).
Look up Dennis Nilsen.

My friend's parents were the first to own the house after him. Didn't bother them in the slightest.
 
To some it is well known. To others not.



This post highlights just how very little Tefal knows about how the media works.

He's knocking the social media generation of politics....But this is no different to print based media of years before...

The technology has changed...But the Political manipulation of the masses has not.

See this post



This post reeks of naivety. Its the same model as Newspapers ongoing and years before but digital and yet he's using the "Platform of social media to vilify the gullible"

The elite few own the UK media and the worlds media...They broadcast political agenda.

Zuckerberg and anyone else will always be able to be bought. If this wasn't the case then Fake news would not exist on FB.
I'm glad we have such an expert to point out the error of our ways and not just another rent a gob agitator with sub sixth form debating skills

I hear that free speech and a much more liberated press are the hallmarks of the Marxists paradises Corbyn admires and wants to emulate /sarcasm
 
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