Tower block fire - london

[StriderX]

well its ok just as long as it doesn't affect you? Why are you here going on about this disaster then. Did you live in the tower?

are you seriously suggesting your a moral or caring person by stating that you could not care if JC set up gulags in the UK? Do you know what they were used for and the circumstances of a lot of people that were sent there?


I'm glad however that we have, at least in your case, dispelled the myth that your pontificating is because you want some state that will be better for all or even most people....

I never said i cared in the first place (beyond some basic decency for innocent people), it's hard to care really after witnessing people voting for their own dismal existence every 5 years. Thankfully the electorate has paid for everything I have and i'll be running away from here after all that "investment", and no it's a very desirable degree as well before you scream the right wing nonsense.

The problem isn't me caring, i'm just working within the environment others set, thankfully I can choose a better one.

 

[Rroff]

This political point scoring needs to stop. Especially when you take a closer look beyond the sound bites apparently (I've yet to check)

However Sadiq Khan talking about fire brigade being underfunded from the Boris era... It wasn't too long ago that he signed off on a report saying the London Fire brigade was adequately funded...

Then same by Torys saying how many labour MPs are on the managing agents board, etc.

Just heard that apparently 40 bodies were found in one room. Although this was a video from residents citing one of their close friends who works for the LFB but who wishes to remain anonymous... It then develops into a conspiracy theory, ethnic cleansing, cover up. Unfortunately.

Its funny how Khan has taken a sudden u-turn - not sure whether to be cynical or whether he has woken up to the reality.

The last bit is where these conspiracies of 500+ dead come from - but the likely explanation is that trapped people grouped together rather than being a uniform pattern over the whole effected area.

 

[RoboCod]

Wow, as if May didn't build her surveillance laws on the corpses of children in Manchester and people at London Bridge?

Just stop, atleast half the amount of people that died between 2000 and now from terrorism (almost 9 million minutes), died within 30 minutes because of poor governance, but Snoopers got through easy (which shows Labour up to being *********) while better housing regulations were blocked purely by Tories, with the winning vote decided by Tory MP's with extreme bias while running their own property empires.

Wrong, on numerous points, but I say again: not really arsed about arguing with people I don't know. Suck up the fact you have your opinion, many others have a different opinion. Deal with it.

 

[chef-borjan]

Is anything actually going to those that need it?

I think so.

Apart from the general sorting, there were specific boxes labelled with "person 102", a rough description of them (ie female, 55, size whatever) for example and a list of exactly what they required. The box would eventually be filled and it would be taken away.

I think I also saw some families come in directly to ask for things, a few hugs given out from them to the volunteers after the correct bedding or whatever was located.

 

[stewski]

I don't make a habit of patronising jibes at people (something hopefully shown in my posting history here) - you might want to contemplate on why I did that specifically in a couple of posts - also you don't seem to know what self-aggrandising actually means especially as you thought it was a diagnosis of a disorder when I was using it as a marking characteristic of potential disorders - what you were pointing to was belittlement and demonstrably done on purpose for effect. Neither do you seem to understand the context of those so called "imaginary psychology students".

Did you or did you not suggest another "internet Dr's" diagnosis of autism was possibly a little incorrect because you believe you have observed Self Aggrandising behaviour, which points to a different diagnosis.
Are you or are you not making/alluding to unqualified diagnosis, via the medium of an internet forum and can you reflect on the issues in doing so?

If you had a material input into why someone who suggested we needed to change the regulation (tax) on unoccupied properties to solve the clear issue of under occupancy, shouldn't then answer/explain if they think the current regulation affecting this is inadequate you could have done so.

If you don't like me personally (perhaps because I pointed out the 2 most recent entrants to the 9 strong nuclear club benefited from civil nuclear programs which seems to attack your world view or something) I don't mind,
but If you allude to an internet diagnosis of someone you personally disagree with, based on supposed "self aggrandising" behaviour of asking a question, you really do have to reflect on what distributing unqualified opinions on diagnosis says about the person doing so?

In short, attack the point by all means, sly ad hom's can backfire

 

[VincentHanna]

This political point scoring needs to stop. Especially when you take a closer look beyond the sound bites apparently (I've yet to check)

So you've not bothered to take a closer look behind the Sound bites?

Sadiq Khan commissioned an independent review of the cuts to the fire services, and the outcome was that they had coped well, but couldn't sustain any further cuts.

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/overall-the-service-has-coped-well-with-cuts

Fiona Twycross, Chair of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority (LFEPA) said: “The London Fire Brigade saw the most significant cuts in its history under Boris Johnson. It is only because of the campaigning of experts, Labour members of the Fire Authority, the unions and the London Assembly that these cuts weren’t as severe as the former Mayor had originally envisaged. I am particularly pleased that the report recognises the professionalism of staff who deliver our fire service and who risk their lives to protect Londoners on a daily basis.”

As Mayor - you surely rely on experts to give you decent information? It's not like he could just be expected to know if they are funded well enough.

 

[RoboCod]

This political point scoring needs to stop. Especially when you take a closer look beyond the sound bites apparently (I've yet to check)

However Sadiq Khan talking about fire brigade being underfunded from the Boris era... It wasn't too long ago that he signed off on a report saying the London Fire brigade was adequately funded...

Then same by Torys saying how many labour MPs are on the managing agents board, etc.

Just heard that apparently 40 bodies were found in one room. Although this was a video from residents citing one of their close friends who works for the LFB but who wishes to remain anonymous... It then develops into a conspiracy theory, ethnic cleansing, cover up. Unfortunately.

Quite. The football support like fanboyism displayed on all sides is depraved. Agenda pushing and snide attempts to push a political message is astounding. People ought to just accept that Westminster is full of cretins and no matter how much they want to believe that the media formed heroes do care about little old them, the reality is no one cares about them, even good ol' Messiah Jezza.

Really though, the way the political playground has morphed in to some hellish reality TV popularity show is almost as nauseating as the fans that bleat their admiration for its contestants.

 

[Caracus2k]

I never said i cared in the first place (beyond some basic decency for innocent people), it's hard to care really after witnessing people voting for their own dismal existence every 5 years. Thankfully the electorate has paid for everything I have and i'll be running away from here after all that "investment", and no it's a very desirable degree as well before you scream the right wing nonsense.

The problem isn't me caring, i'm just working within the environment others set, thankfully I can choose a better one.

oh please tell us where you'll be taking your skills so we can compare and contrast with the Uk and the nasty tory party.....


But otherwise I can't take someone seriously who claims to care for the 'basic decency for innocent people' on one post but then states on another that they would not be concerned with a gulag being opened in the UK by a favoured politician of there's.....

 

[StriderX]

It's called sarcasm, i don't literally believe he would, but you're so typically of the flavour to think otherwise. Nuance is clearly not worth using in British discussions anymore.

It ultimately doesnt matter what i think, i'll get what i want from Brexit for instance, a failed nation where the yes voters suffer the most or a soft Brexit, where the Yes voters suffer the most.

Guess what i voted... hint it wasn't No, and for some more information, I voted SNP, but no for Independence. I will never not vote for chaos in this country.

Anyway I'm out, ill wait for the inevitable crumbling government response in a week.

 

[stewski]

Quite. The football support like fanboyism displayed on all sides is depraved. Agenda pushing and snide attempts to push a political message is astounding. People ought to just accept that Westminster is full of cretins and no matter how much they want to believe that the media formed heroes do care about little old them, the reality is no one cares about them, even good ol' Messiah Jezza.

Really though, the way the political playground has morphed in to some hellish reality TV popularity show is almost as nauseating as the fans that bleat their admiration for its contestants.

Someone posting as you have here on a thread about the tragedy with details of the horror of how it affects Tory leaders and then using the term Messiah Jezza, whilst simultaneously complaining about football support fanboyism is actually a new level.

 

[Rroff]

Did you or did you not suggest another "internet Dr's" diagnosis of autism was possibly a little incorrect because you believe you have observed Self Aggrandising behaviour, which points to a different diagnosis.
Are you or are you not making/alluding to unqualified diagnosis, via the medium of an internet forum and can you reflect on the issues in doing so?

If you had a material input into why someone who suggested we needed to change the regulation (tax) on unoccupied properties to solve the clear issue of under occupancy, shouldn't then answer/explain if they think the current regulation affecting this is inadequate you could have done so.

If you don't like me personally (perhaps because I pointed out the 2 most recent entrants to the 9 strong nuclear club benefited from civil nuclear programs which seems to attack your world view or something) I don't mind,
but If you allude to an internet diagnosis of someone you personally disagree with, based on supposed "self aggrandising" behaviour of asking a question, you really do have to reflect on what distributing unqualified opinions on diagnosis says about the person doing so?

In short, attack the point by all means, sly ad hom's can backfire

I made a couple of posts as I was amused by your comparison of yourself to Paxman using typical Paxman style against you to provoke a reaction and it worked - I don't care about whatever you and Dowie were arguing over and my intention wasn't to diagnose anything, though the characteristics I pointed out are there, hence my post lacks any summation. I'm perfectly cognisant of what I was doing - go back over my posting history I don't have a habit of making patronising jibes at people.

No I don't like you personally and its not related to just that debate on nuclear programs in which don't forget you were the one that started with the ad hominem attacks - infact that is why I don't like you - from the very first moment we ever interacted you utilised sniping ad hominem attacks against my opinions.

Hopefully anyone who has spent much time around here can backup that I attack the point, sometimes tenaciously, and rarely if ever make things personal.

 

[stewski]

I made a couple of posts as I was amused by your comparison of yourself to Paxman using typical Paxman style against you to provoke a reaction and it worked - I don't care about whatever you and Dowie were arguing over and my intention wasn't to diagnose anything, though the characteristics I pointed out are there, hence my post lacks any summation. I'm perfectly cognisant of what I was doing - go back over my posting history I don't have a habit of making patronising jibes at people.

No I don't like you personally and its not related to just that debate on nuclear programs in which don't forget you were the one that started with the ad hominem attacks - infact that is why I don't like you - from the very first moment we ever interacted you utilised sniping ad hominem attacks against my opinions.

Hopefully anyone who has spent much time around here can backup that I attack the point, sometimes tenaciously, and rarely if ever make things personal.

But not in this instance (nor effectively on the discussion of Civil Nuclear/Nuclear Defence proliferation) for reasons of mumble mumble, no reflection of what self aggrandising behaviour means in the context of offering an unqualified diagnosis.

As for feelings about you, as Joe Strummer once said to Mick Jones, "I don't hate you, I don't think enough of you to hate you".

 

[Mynight]

Do you two need a room?

 

[Rroff]

But not in this instance (nor effectively on the discussion of Civil Nuclear/Nuclear Defence proliferation) for reasons of mumble mumble, no reflection of what self aggrandising behaviour means in the context of offering an unqualified diagnosis.

As for feelings about you, as Joe Strummer once said to Mick Jones, "I don't hate you, I don't think enough of you to hate you".

See you can't even help yourself. If you want to take this all the way to the bottom I'm only too happy to oblige but not in this thread.

 

[dowie]

Did you or did you not suggest another "internet Dr's" diagnosis of autism was possibly a little incorrect because you believe you have observed Self Aggrandising behaviour, which points to a different diagnosis.
Are you or are you not making/alluding to unqualified diagnosis, via the medium of an internet forum and can you reflect on the issues in doing so?
[...]

I think it has gone a bit over your head, you were seemingly deliberately time wasting with your previous posts (where you imagined yourself to be Paxman) and it was a bit odd that is all, you did the same thing in some thread about end to end encryption which ended up going on for several pages then got the thread locked along with a second thread. I'm more than happy to have a discussion with people with different viewpoints on here but when you get someone who isn't willing to discuss and instead deflects, refuses to clarify and then engages in repeated sealioning then it just becomes a waste of time and you're left wondering what they were trying to achieve in the first place.

 

[stewski]

Now if we could just have Tefal throw in a random, "what he's said doesn't even make sense" with zero detail, we'd have a full set of interjections unrelated to the discussion from the usual team of Autism/Self Aggrandising diagnosing right wing types.

Though frankly I agree, this thread isn't the place!

 

[Caracus2k]

Its called sarcasm, i don't literally believe he would, but you're so typically of the flavour to think otherwise. Nuance is clearly not worth using in British discussions anymore.

sarcasm you say?

so I suggest Corbyn was wrong to suggesting unnecessary arbitary seizure of property in response to a serious but localised emergency and this is the best reply you have?

'Your other points aren't interesting, i don't give a **** if "comrade" Corbyn starts up gulags in north London, it doesn't affect me.'

perhaps JC was just being 'sarcastic' or I missed the 'nuance' with his suggestion as well!

other people may alternatively think that both statements indicate something profound about the respective sources....

 

[chief barker]

Do you two need a room?

Ah you're the type that likes to watch

 

[Mynight]

Ah you're the type that likes to watch

I would watch this any day. Just wrong thread.

 

[RoboCod]

Wow, first member to be on my ignore list in 13 years. I'm definitely getting old and bigoted