Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[N19h7m4r3]

For anyone interested here's the second chap with a Frontier Edition doing "live" testing. He has a potato camera though.

Metro tests at 1:08:15 and it can see parts not rendering completely lol.

 

[labbby]

For anyone interested here's the second chap with a Frontier Edition doing "live" testing. He has a potato camera though.

And a potato GPU I'm still going to keep a positive hat on about the gaming version.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

And a potato GPU I'm still going to keep a potive hat on about the gaming version.

Check the metro test, the scenes aren't rendering right, missing parts, and even artifacting lol.
https://youtu.be/QuFG7pw_k50?t=1h8m14s

 

[five8five]

Let's be honest, the point of the FE card is to say they met their H2 release date promise. Vega clearly isn't ready yet; it's not suitable for gaming and not certified for professional use. It sadly looks like we have more months to wait.

Sadly, as it stands today they would've been better missing the H1 release and taking the flak for it.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I'm not sure why everyone is singing from the same AMD doomed hymn sheet. The FE is a card none of us are buying, it's not the gaming card and is being shown off by what appears to be slightly amateur hour builders or gamers. I'm not judging to hard until RX Vega arrives.

The FE is just the gaming card with double the memory isn't it ?, so it will be.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

When was the last nVidia or Intel launch without any issues? Not saying this isn't a big one or that they haven't bungled the release but this whole "AMD can't launch things without problems" is just confirmation bias. I wish they'd learn about releasing too early though. Would be better if they added on another quarter to the expected release date and possibly release it early, rather than being forced to release an unfinished product to satisfy shareholders of a met deadline.

Lets have a look at the last few graphics card launches then:
1.)R9 290/290X - subpar stock cooler which then had a stupid quiet mode which Nvidia managed to exploit to their advantage.Bad first impression.
2.)R9 285 - AMD seeded cards out for review,but most of them were of one model which had excessive power consumption and regressed in performance/watt and this is when Nvidia had launched Maxwell that year.Bad first impression.
3.)R9 390/390X - went fine but was a rebrand and helped by Nvidia PR and their own goal
5.)R9 380/R9 380X - went fine but was a rebrand
6.)R9 295X2 - generally OKish but issue of whether card overdrew power from certain connectors IIRC but the Nvidia equivalent failed badly so a moot point.
7.)AMD Fury X - an utter shambles with poor cooler QC.Bad first impression. You could barely get cards for a month so there was no need to panic rush it out.
8.)Radeon Pro Duo - seemed OK
9.)RX480 - rubbish stock cooler despite AMD calling it premium and had the power draw bug from the PCI-E slot. Nvidia managed to get aftermarket GTX1060 cards out before aftermarket RX480 ones. Hence Nvidia managed to steal some thunder from the launch.
10.)RX470 launch - OK but price was too near RX480. GTX1060 3GB looked faster at launch and so many people have still bought the latter despite its obvious weakness.
11.)RX460 - launch OK but was more cut down than expected and it meant an easy victory for the GTX1050 two months later. Cards in prebuilds and laptops seemed to use the fully enabled chip.
12.)RX580/RX570 - decent enough performance and no crap stock cooler but was a rebrand but performance/watt got worse
13.)RX560 - quite competent but should have been what the RX460 was and is essentially based on a older and proven chip
14.)Vega - they launch a prosumer card with drivers which are not upto scratch and it looks no better than a GTX1080,so in the end anyone looking at one might just get a Titan Xp instead

Outside the rebrands its a common theme,AMD rush half finished cards out,which look meh during the first reviews,and when these cards are fixed they are solid,but by that time its too late as those old reviews are still up and first impressions count.

Then you add the whole Ryzen launch - I mean loads of issues ,and that wouldn't be as bad a problem as the fact that for the first month you could barely get motherboards.

Nothing to do with confirmation bias - Intel has multiple platforms on the get-go so can get away with the odd issue here and there,and AMD does not so half the reviews which were slating gaming performance was since AMD pushed it out too early and the motherboards were in a crap state. Nvidia also by extension has more mindshare so even if they have the odd issue,the fact is they have plenty of solid launches behind them,so people gloss over it.

With AMD its becoming a habit - look at launches like the HD4000 and HD5000 series - performance was there from day one,and even if the HD5000 series did have some slight issues,they launched six months before Nvidia so could get away with it. These are all ATI launches - look at the 9700 PRO. I can still remember them launching months before Nvidia and it was near perfect in hardware and even if Nvidia was considered to have "better drivers" back then,the performance,power consumption and even performance/watt was there.

I mean I have a GTX1080 FE,and people had criticisms of the cooler on that,yet its probably the best blower cooler I have used ever,and I have it in a mini-ITX rig.

 

[Erik13]

Check the metro test, the scenes aren't rendering right, missing parts, and even artifacting lol.
https://youtu.be/QuFG7pw_k50?t=1h8m14s

Yeah pretty much sums up everything. Drivers r clearly not ready and Amd made dumb move by including half assed gaming mode which ended up creating bad press for them lol Talk about ****** marketing department ...

 

[TNA]

Why are most you guys getting on the hate wagon so fast based on Gaming? We was clearly told not to Judge FE Vega for Gaming and to wait for RX Vega and then we should on a gaming leave have the right to rip Vega apart for the good or bad.
FE isn't just for gaming and its main focus isn't gaming either yet has I skip though this thread to see only it get torn a new one based on just gaming? Lool

Dunno. Some have agenda's, other love to hate maybe

 

[Chrisc]

so when are we actually expecting for these to be released?

 

[Rezident]

What is the point of the frontier edition?

It’s for data scientists, immersion engineers and product designers, apparently. You can test games on it in one mode but it’s obviously not designed for playing games.

 

[shankly1985]

Cheap ass non-certified workstation card for £999; it compares well against the Quadro P5000 which is £1900 but actually has certification and support.

This...
Its a card for creation and then testing them, optimising them.. It isn't a Gaming GPU and it shouldn't be compared for Gaming only but tested for what it's designed to do has a complete package. So meny people this day and age are so fast to ignore what they clearly been told and jump on the hate wagon. We all here for gaming performance "Well Most I would expect"
So why don't we just wait for RX Vega?

 

[ubersonic]

Looking at the reports coming in so far, it seems the Radeon Frontier Edition performs in games like a GTX1080, but can't match a Quadro at professional stuff. So this is kinda like an AMD Titan then, which would be cool, except AMD previously had cards that could duel with Titans at gaming/professional stuff for a lot less.

Oh well hopefully the gaming cards will rock

 

[TNA]

This...
Its a card for creation and then testing them, optimising them.. It isn't a Gaming GPU and it shouldn't be compared for Gaming only but tested for what it's designed to do has a complete package. So meny people this day and age are so fast to ignore what they clearly been told and jump on the hate wagon. We all here for gaming performance "Well Most I would expect"
So why don't we just wait for RX Vega?

Yeah, but then what will those with an agenda and those who love to hate do? What you are asking is not exactly fair on them, is it now?

 

[Erik13]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Vega-Codename-265481/News/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Benchmarks-1231847/

Pcgameshardware tells not to take this results seriously hmmm Seems they know something

 

[N19h7m4r3]

This...
Its a card for creation and then testing them, optimising them.. It isn't a Gaming GPU and it shouldn't be compared for Gaming only but tested for what it's designed to do has a complete package. So meny people this day and age are so fast to ignore what they clearly been told and jump on the hate wagon. We all here for gaming performance "Well Most I would expect"
So why don't we just wait for RX Vega?

Yeah, but then what will those with an agenda and those who love to hate do? What you are asking is not exactly fair on them, is it now?

The problem also stems from AMD advertising a Gaming mode, and Raja having stated the card will be able to use Radeon RX drivers.

 

[WeSbO]

For anyone interested here's the second chap with a Frontier Edition doing "live" testing. He has a potato camera though.

Metro tests at 1:08:15 and it can see parts not rendering completely lol.

It wasn't rendering properly because he accidently ran 2 metro benches at the same time, well his system seems to restart a new second bench when the first one ends, Damn do people even watch a bit further into videos, I mean god the answer to the problem was only 1 minute further into the video... at 1:09:21 it renders just fine https://youtu.be/QuFG7pw_k50?t=4153

 

[shankly1985]

The problem also stems from AMD advertising a Gaming mode, and Raja having stated the card will be able to use Radeon RX drivers.

Yes but within that trailer they saying create a game assist, switch to game mode and play test etc
This is what the GPU should be getting reviewed based on, yet we seeing Gaming only numbers taking the GPU away from what its designed for. I not surprised its under performing to be perfectly honest.

 

[Freddie1980]

And yes as per usual people always under estimate driver and software optimisation, not just for GPUs but for every hardware device and piece of software out there.

They can make or break a product.

So true. Remember this gem from Nvidia?

With this AMD were forced to drop the price of the 290/290x to compete against the GTX970.

 

[nashathedog]

I find it incredibly hard to believe AMD has made no architecture improvements. After all the song-and-dance, and all the slides they made about how there are various improvements (including claims like 2x IPC in certain tasks (not referring to the 2xFP16 btw), and 2.6x the triangles-per-second under best-case scenarios using the new primitive discard accelerator), HOW can it still be basically GCN1.999.

GCN was very impressive for its time, but it was time to move on at least a year ago.

And also how can it only handle 1.38 GHz average on a 14nm die shrink? GloFo's 14nm is clearly the worst of the bunch, but the 1050 Ti is built by Samsung on the same process (albeit more mature) and can still handle 2 GHz (though does have far less cores to be fair) AND has higher perf/W than the TSMC build Pascal cards (and normally larger cards have higher perf/W because the memory takes up a smaller % of the overall power the more cores a card has).

A FuryX at 1.4 GHz should match a stock 1080, assuming 1:1 clock-scaling, so these initial results make it look like it's just an overclocked FuryX with 1:1 clock-scaling. All that work, and a die-shrink, for that makes no sense.

I can only imagine/hope that this is a combination of crap drivers and clockspeed issue (is the 550W PSU plus to bad cooler causing the average clock to be low?). If they can add 10% with drivers, and manage 1600-1650 MHz stable with RX Vega and proper coolers, they might be able to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

If I'm recalling it right early last year the general consensus was that AMD was going to give the high end a miss rather than try and create a big Polaris chip, That way they could focus on giving us a good product in Vega this year, From the look of the FE I think we'd of been better off with a big Polaris chip and GDDR5.
I think it's going to be up to the board partners to save the day. At least if they can offer good cooling and good quality components so it can keep a 1600 clock it won't be a total loss.


Also, I'm glad I kept my 850 watt psu.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yes but within that trailer they saying create a game assist, switch to game mode and play test etc
This is what the GPU should be getting reviewed based on, yet we seeing Gaming only numbers taking the GPU away from what its designed for. I not surprised its under performing to be perfectly honest.

I get ya, but Raja clearly stated it will support gaming drivers. To avoid this marketing flop, they should not have shipped it with Gaming mode/drivers off the bat.
They certainly shouldn't have hard launched and not sampled any proper reviewers either. Send the cards to reputable reviewers, get results out, and hard launch next week.

Instead we have no proper reviews, cards all over the place in the hands of people; and completely unfinished drivers.
As the one chap with a FE mentioned, he saw no difference between Pro mode and Gaming mode for performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...gies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqnsgo/?context=3