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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Ian Evey said:
I know one thing, with hbm2 there not going to be cheap.
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As I have said before, they are going to have to be. No one in their right mind is going to pay 1080 prices for an unproven card that performs similarly but chews more power and runs hotter. AMD also have to give an incentive for you to abandon the established market leader and take a chance on their products. The only real way to do that is to come in with either disruptive performance, or disruptive price (or both like Ryzen!). Everything is pointing to the performance not being what we hoped. Which only leaves pricing.

AMD's saving grace is the mining craze, meaning they might actually launch at a much higher RRP than they had intended, while still undercutting the competition due to the currently inflated 1070 and 1080 pricing. Good news for them, bad news for us.

If they do launch at >1080 pricing then they are going to seriously struggle to shift them... well unless the miners snap them all up...
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
The last time Steam gave me the survey was when I had a GTX 980 years ago. :/

Anyone know the frequency at which the survey is sent out?
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I had the popup for it about two weeks ago. They randomly poll a percentage of the userbase IIRC there is something like a roughly 1 in 7 chance in any given year of being asked to partake in it.
 
Rroff said:
I had the popup for it about two weeks ago. They randomly poll a percentage of the userbase IIRC there is something like a roughly 1 in 7 chance in any given year of being asked to partake in it.
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Not very reliable, but I bet most people just click out of it as well.

It's better than simply monitoring and transmitting information about a user's system without them knowing at least.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
The last time Steam gave me the survey was when I had a GTX 980 years ago. :/

Anyone know the frequency at which the survey is sent out?
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Its random ...and i have never been ask from steam to do the survey nor has my partner .....this is over 10 years of usage multiple systems too and god know how many changes in hardware...

i did ask a few of my clients a while back re this...out of about 15 of them only a couple where ask to take part in the survey ....
 
harney said:
Its random ...and i have never been ask from steam to do the survey nor has my partner .....this is over 10 years of usage multiple systems too and god know how many changes in hardware...

i did ask a few of my clients a while back re this...out of about 15 of them only a couple where ask to take part in the survey ....
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I've a number of steam installs on different systems - through ~2010 to 2016 I don't think I saw a single popup for the survey so far this year I've seen it atleast 3 possibly 4 times - only bothered doing it once though.
 
shankly1985 said:
Lol lool
Massive defensive league here guys.
Chill out dude
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<-- quite chilled, just had an ice-cream ... I was just pointing out the obvious. If you want to call this defensive league, go ahead, you are missing the point however, I don't give a crap about AMD, NVIDIA, Intel or someone else, just buy whatever makes sense at that particular point in time. That's all.
 
cainer said:
PCper talks about the performance leak of RX Vega on 3dmark11 (start at 26mins)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NWKWaz-vsU
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Thanks for the link. Straight after the chat about the 3dmark11 score an interesting conversation about the tile based rasterizer issue. They don't think it'll make much difference frames per second wise but may only just save a little power.
 
HeX said:
As I have said before, they are going to have to be. No one in their right mind is going to pay 1080 prices for an unproven card that performs similarly but chews more power and runs hotter. AMD also have to give an incentive for you to abandon the established market leader and take a chance on their products. The only real way to do that is to come in with either disruptive performance, or disruptive price (or both like Ryzen!). Everything is pointing to the performance not being what we hoped. Which only leaves pricing.

AMD's saving grace is the mining craze, meaning they might actually launch at a much higher RRP than they had intended, while still undercutting the competition due to the currently inflated 1070 and 1080 pricing. Good news for them, bad news for us.

If they do launch at >1080 pricing then they are going to seriously struggle to shift them... well unless the miners snap them all up...
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I do not believe that they will be cheap not at 1070 msrp, maybe 1080 msrp, I remember hearing a dude during the Financial Analyst day mention something like "AMD are too cheap and that that has to change", take that as you will, but that could indicate that they are intending on taking a different route when it comes to pricing. And yeah big die+hbm2
 
WeSbO said:
I do not believe that they will be cheap not at 1070 msrp, maybe 1080 msrp, I remember hearing a dude during the Financial Analyst day mention something like "AMD are too cheap and that that has to change", take that as you will, but that could indicate that they are intending on taking a different route when it comes to pricing. And yeah big die+hbm2
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I don't think retailers will accept prices too low anyhow at this point even if AMD tried to price them extremely competitively.
 
Talk about the die Size https://youtu.be/2NWKWaz-vsU?t=1180 at around 19:40 and Ryan doesn't seem to agree that it's 484 mm2 and everyone who is measuring is finding more than 500 mm2, the Vega FE isn't 484mm2 , AMD said they wouldn't verify the Die size, I don't( understand why they aren't giving out the die dimensions, as I mentioned before it can't be to hide it from Nvidia, they will know the size down to the closest 0.0001mm by now I would imagine. It's so interesting lol... But afterwards the reason they giving for it being more than 484 is sound, but in all cases it would still be using more wafer space sooooo...
 
five8five said:
Thanks for the link. Straight after the chat about the 3dmark11 score an interesting conversation about the tile based rasterizer issue. They don't think it'll make much difference frames per second wise but may only just save a little power.
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It saves quite a bit of power.
This was one of the power saving tricks in Maxwell if i recall correctly
 
WeSbO said:
I do not believe that they will be cheap not at 1070 msrp, maybe 1080 msrp, I remember hearing a dude during the Financial Analyst day mention something like "AMD are too cheap and that that has to change", take that as you will, but that could indicate that they are intending on taking a different route when it comes to pricing. And yeah big die+hbm2
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Well if that is the case I will be waiting for Volta. No way am I going to pay silly money for 15 month old performance that is a lot less efficient. They either need to bring the performance and charge for it, or charge less. Simple as that.
 
WeSbO said:
Talk about the die Size https://youtu.be/2NWKWaz-vsU?t=1180 at around 19:40 and Ryan doesn't seem to agree that it's 484 mm2 and everyone who is measuring is finding more than 500 mm2, the Vega FE isn't 484mm2 , AMD said they wouldn't verify the Die size, I don't( understand why they aren't giving out the die dimensions, as I mentioned before it can't be to hide it from Nvidia, they will know the size down to the closest 0.0001mm by now I would imagine. It's so interesting lol... But afterwards the reason they giving for it being more than 484 is sound, but in all cases it would still be using more wafer space sooooo...
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I mean, they have no reason to lie about it. That'd be weird.

Raja said in the past it was less than 500mm2, and more recently he said it was the closest perfect square to 500mm2. 22-squared is 484, 23 squared is 529. Also the memory bandwidth is 484 GB/s, and engineers have a funny sense of humour, so almost certainly did that on purpose because it's the same as the die size.
 
five8five said:
Lets lock the thread until then :p

There'll be plenty more leaks to discuss before release. Some of them will even be genuine :D
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And have another Vega thread started? No thanks, This thread went down the pan the same as the other, so now let's wait for the actual release and then get the ""Official"" RXVega thread.
 
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